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    Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    And some insist racism is dead in America

    Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    The Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity said it has indefinitely suspended its chapter at Ole Miss and has expelled three 19-year-old freshmen who it said were responsible for the "desecration" last weekend of a campus statue honoring the school's first black student.

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    A witness saw two young men leaving the area near the statue, which depicts Meredith striding forward. A coiled rope and a former Georgia state flag with a Confederate battle emblem were wrapped around the statue's neck.

    Meredith, 80, told the Los Angeles Times this week from his Mississippi home that the incident showed that youths weren't being taught right from wrong.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

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    "It is embarrassing that these men had previously identified with our fraternity," Brian Warren Jr., the organization’s chief executive, said in a statement late Friday.

    "SigEp has championed racial equality and issues on diversity since 1959, when it became the first national fraternity to invite members of all races, creeds and religions to join its membership," Warren said. "For this to occur in 2014 is an insult to the legacy of James Meredith, the University of Mississippi community and the SigEp alumni who fought for racial equality in the late 1950s."
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc).

    What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    And some insist racism is dead in America
    Oh for God's sake. A kid prank. Yeah, it's a racist prank. The kids probably aren't. Who knows?

    Frankly, I think the fraternity HQ over-reacted. If anything, the kids should have been suspended from the school.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc).

    What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.
    Racism does not depend on the intent. Ever. Racism depends on the act. And considering our nation's clear history of racism against blacks, past and present, those of you who are going to try to convince us that the Ole Miss noose incident is not racism have a VERY difficult task ahead of you.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Is that the same Uni where some students were shouting racist insults when Obama got re-elected?
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc).

    What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.
    Exactly. They were trolling and it blew up in their faces.

    Good on the fraternity for saving face, I guess. However, I don't think that racism was the primary motivation.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Racism does not depend on the intent. Ever. Racism depends on the act. And considering our nation's clear history of racism against blacks, past and present, those of you who are going to try to convince us that the Ole Miss noose incident is not racism have a VERY difficult task ahead of you.
    I've seen nothing that tells me *the act* itself is racist. I've seen everything tell me *the intent* makes it racist.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    I don't care what their intend was. They vandalized a school statue and that is never right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc).

    What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've seen nothing that tells me *the act* itself is racist. I've seen everything tell me *the intent* makes it racist.
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