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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If you want an honest debate then you should debate honestly. Don't make up definitions for words, read honestly what your interlocutor writes, and don't insult the good faith of others when they challenge you by accurately responding to what you have written.
    The freedom you have to post such a childish response comes directly from the white privilege that you and I both have.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Indeed. But the exposition of his white privilege is worth a temporary aggravation.
    Indeed. Been there done that.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Indeed. But the exposition of his white privilege is worth a temporary aggravation. After all, my white privilege allows me to leave this thread--and this issue--at any time. People of color do not have that privilege.
    Are you saying that black folks can't leave this thread anytime they want?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The question is why there is a relationship. Why does discord increase as the size of the black population increases?
    To which I've already proposed an explanation for the existence of such a correlation.

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    Weren't Virginia and South Carolina in the Old South alongside Mississippi and Alabama and didn't they all share some common culture? So why a correlation?
    Did they share similarities? Of course. And differences. There's an overwhelming variety of factors that affect how many whites in a particular state vote for Obama. Until you control for these factors, that there is a statistical correlation between higher black population and fewer Obama-voting whites is not indicative of a causal relationship whatsoever.

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    It's not as self-evident as you imagine. It's quite possible for a mostly homogeneous society to have a virulent reaction to a small minority community - say what happens when Gypsies arrive into town. Or maybe not. Liberals imagine that there should be no racial division in a very multicultural society. Your criticism presumes exactly what social science reports - introduce racial diversity and division will increase. So if you already understand this, then I didn't tell you anything new. If you were a liberal who believed that there was no connection between racial diversity and division in society, then I would have been telling you something not self-evident. You understand that point, right?

    Of course it doesn't. The people who live in liberal whiteopias rarely get to test their racial tolerance, unlike the people in live in very diverse states like Mississippi.
    Let me be clear. If racial diversity is introduced into a homogenous society that is racially intolerant, than, yes racial division in that society will increase. That seems self-evident to me. But I see no evidence that introducing racial diversity into a society will increase racial intolerance.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Stop. Your direct answer was sufficient. You do not need to try to justify their acts.
    I understand your inability to actually address my arguments.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

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    But I see no evidence that introducing racial diversity into a society will increase racial intolerance.
    Wouldn't it be divine to test that hypothesis? All the white liberals who flock to white liberal utopias can instead make a beeline to Detroit and Birmingham and simply by being present they can change the culture. Let the "racists" who live down South move to Portland and Vermont where they'll be happier.

    It's just so damn odd that liberals who profess to love diversity seem to move to places where there is a lack of diversity and then they make a big show of lecturing people who live with diversity that they should be more tolerant of diversity.

    Actions have more impact than words. Right?

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you saying that black folks can't leave this thread anytime they want?
    /facepalm

    People of color do not have the privilege of escaping the racism that whites constantly fling upon them.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Wouldn't it be divine to test that hypothesis? All the white liberals who flock to white liberal utopias can instead make a beeline to Detroit and Birmingham and simply by being present they can change the culture. Let the "racists" who live down South move to Portland and Vermont where they'll be happier.

    It's just so damn odd that liberals who profess to love diversity seem to move to places where there is a lack of diversity and then they make a big show of lecturing people who live with diversity that they should be more tolerant of diversity.

    Actions have more impact than words. Right?
    I can't speak for the "liberals" to which you refer, but I doubt they avoid Detroit and Birmingham because there are black people there.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

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    I understand your inability to actually address my arguments.
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    It is almost always a bad idea to try to worm your way out of defending racism. I have tried. And failed. 100% of the time.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    /facepalm

    People of color do not have the privilege of escaping the racism that whites constantly fling upon them.
    Black folks are just as capable of escaping racism as white folks are.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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