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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Okay, you've reminded me- my son still owes me a couple bucks from years ago when he advised me to rent a movie called 'Jackass'. You coulda just said so earlier.
    So you're saying this was just a jackass stunt and shouldn't be blown out of proportion? I disagree. If it was a joke, it would still take a committed racist to smile at seeing a noose around James Meredith's neck.
    I'm not advocating any kind of punishment, I'm just saying there's no way to pretend this isn't an expression of racism. Maybe they were just drunk one night and wouldn't do it sober, but in vino veritas, sometimes.
    I could easily see it being a juvenile joke where the anticipated laugh was in the shocked reaction to the stunt, not the stunt itself. Obviously it was a stupid move and I seriously doubt the prankers were anticipating this outcome.

    Even if it was a blatant act of racism, it's been dealt with, swiftly and harshly and is in no way an indictment on the fraterniity, the university or the state.

    And finally, the jackass thing. It was in response to your query about stupidity.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    A white guy hanging a noose around the neck of James Meredith doesn't look like racism to you?
    You have returned to the fact that they are just kids. Who knows?

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh for God's sake. A kid prank. Yeah, it's a racist prank. The kids probably aren't. Who knows?

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    I don't know, as you admit it's a racist prank. I'm willing to judge them on their actions which even by your admission were racist.


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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post

    Three students' careers and lives have been permanently impacted because they carried out what could very well have been a stupid college prank. A fraternity that has openned itself up to all races has lost it's charter. Massive over reaction fueled by the guilty minds of a bunch of white liberals.
    Yes, their lives and careers have been impacted by their own stupid actions. I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.

    Let's say they went out drinking and drove home. Shouldn't they get punished for drunk driving, even if they're "college kids?"

    The same people who moan about "personal responsibility" and "In my day, you didn't live with your parents when you were 20" are the ones who want to give them a pass because they're kids. Unbelievable.


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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Racism does not depend on the intent. Ever. Racism depends on the act. And considering our nation's clear history of racism against blacks, past and present, those of you who are going to try to convince us that the Ole Miss noose incident is not racism have a VERY difficult task ahead of you.
    Pull up a definition of racism and explain how this action meets the definition of racism.

    It certainly meets the definition of insensitive, thoughtless, provocative, but not racist.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    It is Mississippi, a solid red state so no real surprise there.
    What I find surprising is that racial tolerance seems to be inversely related to living in populations with low racial diversity. Obama's share of the white vote increased in states where there was lower levels of black population. Odd, isn't it?

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Pull up a definition of racism and explain how this action meets the definition of racism.

    It certainly meets the definition of insensitive, thoughtless, provocative, but not racist.
    On what basis is it insensitive, thoughtless and provocative?
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.
    And yet they're too immature to buy alcohol and tobacco.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, their lives and careers have been impacted by their own stupid actions. I have no sympathy for that. They're in college, they're legally adults and stupid actions impact your life and career.

    Let's say they went out drinking and drove home. Shouldn't they get punished for drunk driving, even if they're "college kids?"

    The same people who moan about "personal responsibility" and "In my day, you didn't live with your parents when you were 20" are the ones who want to give them a pass because they're kids. Unbelievable.
    What's unbelievable is your reaction. Nowhere did I suggest giving them a pass. They did what they did, for whatever stupid reason they pulled the prank. The over reaction is indicting the school, the state, the country, the fraternity as some of you seem to enjoy doing in your race to satisfy some sort of racist based guilt.

    That said, a college kid gets caught mooning passersbys from a moving vehicle. That could buy them the same consequence as a pervert flasher receives. The key is judgement. One of these things is not like the other.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And yet they're too immature to buy alcohol and tobacco.
    Well, that alcohol would certainly do wonders for their decision making wouldn't it?

    In most states, a college student can buy tobacco, btw. I'm guessing Mississippi probably allows 18 year olds to buy tobacco.


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