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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've seen nothing that tells me *the act* itself is racist. I've seen everything tell me *the intent* makes it racist.
    How can putting a noose around the neck of a statue of James Meredith not be racist? Is there any way to say it wasn't a reference to lynching?
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Question: If I'm in the kitchen with someone, I lose my balance and bump into them, and they fall on the stove and burn their hand, does it make it hurt any less?
    It makes it an accident VS intentional. It can make a world of difference. Imagine if my husband accidentally hurt me VS intentionally hurt me. One is 'no biggie, you didn't mean to' and the other is '**** off - I'm leaving'

    Intent matters a lot in our country in a variety of ways.

    By expelling the students I believe they're saying that the 'intent was to be hateful - not just silly'
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc). What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.
    And I see it as a ****ty racist joke. I missed the episode where Key and Peele lynched a statue, or anyone for that matter. (and I watch them a lot) Big difference between standing there telling a joke so the world sees you and petty vandalism late at night. There are reports of two whites guys on campus shouting racial slurs... guess that is funny too.

    I'd say a late night act of vandalism along a violent racial theme being seen as 'funny' says more about the racist attitude of the 'pranksters' than anything else.

    Funny and stupid is white washing the University President's car, painting his dog blue, filling a fountain with detergent...

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Is that the same Uni where some students were shouting racist insults when Obama got re-elected?
    That's the one:

    According to local reports, up to 400 students from the University of Mississippi staged a riotous protest last night at the news of Obama’s reelection. The Jackson Clarion Ledger reported that “students were heard shouting racial epithets about Obama and African Americans in general. Police were called to the scene and the crowd broke up around 12:30 a.m.”

    Reports conflict over whether rocks were thrown, but Twitter images testify that an “Obama Biden” campaign sign was burned. No one was arrested or injured — in the context of the Oxford campus’s history of racist violence, it’s a stretch to call last night’s incident a “riot.”
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    400 vs three - I wonder why the harsh reaction this time around?
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The act itself isn't 'racist' to me - could be a ****ty joke. Our country has certainly made it permissible to make race-related jokes. Many comedians thrive on this (Key and Peele, Tosh.0 - etc).

    What would make it racist is the intent, the overall behavior or attitude of these individuals. If they were in fact doing it for racially charged, hate fueled reasons VS they thought it would just be dumb and funny.
    I disagree. Tosh.0 and Key and Peele aren't comedians. Agree on your other points.
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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    400 vs three - I wonder why the harsh reaction this time around?
    Probably because the riot was expected and there were probably more incidents of such protests at the same time. The noose incident occurred out of the blue and I don't recall any other similar incidents happening at the time.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't care what their intend was. They vandalized a school statue and that is never right.
    Oh BS. Climb down off the horse. It's actually part of the culture of some campuses to mess with the statuary in ever more creative ways. My own freshman class placed a 5 foot paper mache penis on the statue of the university's founder.

    There isn't a culture on earth that has no racism. The key is in how it's dealt with. What more do you require than what has happenned to address the incident? You looking for the death penalty or something?

    Three students' careers and lives have been permanently impacted because they carried out what could very well have been a stupid college prank. A fraternity that has openned itself up to all races has lost it's charter. Massive over reaction fueled by the guilty minds of a bunch of white liberals.

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    How can putting a noose around the neck of a statue of James Meredith not be racist? Is there any way to say it wasn't a reference to lynching?
    Heh, you're living in a culture where kids play Jackass and you have ask that?

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Racism does not depend on the intent. Ever. Racism depends on the act. And considering our nation's clear history of racism against blacks, past and present, those of you who are going to try to convince us that the Ole Miss noose incident is not racism have a VERY difficult task ahead of you.
    So every comedian who made a racial joke is guilty of racism, though their intent was obviously in jest.

    /snooze

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    Re: Fraternity expels 3 linked to statue noose, suspends Ole Miss chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Oh BS. Climb down off the horse. It's actually part of the culture of some campuses to mess with the statuary in ever more creative ways. My own freshman class placed a 5 foot paper mache penis on the statue of the university's founder.

    There isn't a culture on earth that has no racism. The key is in how it's dealt with. What more do you require than what has happenned to address the incident? You looking for the death penalty or something?

    Three students' careers and lives have been permanently impacted because they carried out what could very well have been a stupid college prank. A fraternity that has openned itself up to all races has lost it's charter. Massive over reaction fueled by the guilty minds of a bunch of white liberals.
    You put a paper mache penis on the statue??!! Horrors, what sexism!
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