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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

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    Do I get to control your sex life? What makes you think that you, a socialist, should have any control over any aspect of my life?
    I cannot answer that because i don't know the answer. what i do know is that one of the things i would have to do as a historian is that when i read primary sources i should avoid the fallacy of presentism, or applying present day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

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    Students are there to learn, not be brainwashed. The more students learn about socialism and its history, if they are also taught the alternatives, the more they will reject it.
    Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Should students be allowed to draw their own conclusions? should they be allowed to make a argument that the socialist thinkers may have had valid points?
    Hell, let's make Mein Kampf required reading, while we're at it. I mean, students can make their own minds up...right?
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
    Maybe they should entertain National Socialism, too.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
    This reads remarkable like "Communism, real communism, has never been tried yet. What happened elsewhere was distorted communism and that's why it failed."

    The study of Socialism needs to be anchored on a foundation of sophisticated thought. Socialism REQUIRES the raping of liberty, so a student needs to fully understand what is going to be raped in order to balance the gains they think will arise from adopting socialism.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hell, let's make Mein Kampf required reading, while we're at it. I mean, students can make their own minds up...right?
    My history teacher has mien kampf in his library, does that fact make him a nazi?
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    My history teacher has mien kampf in his library, does that fact make him a nazi?
    I hope not, because I have it my library, too. That doesn't address my point, however.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This reads remarkable like "Communism, real communism, has never been tried yet. What happened elsewhere was distorted communism and that's why it failed."

    The study of Socialism needs to be anchored on a foundation of sophisticated thought. Socialism REQUIRES the raping of liberty, so a student needs to fully understand what is going to be raped in order to balance the gains they think will arise from adopting socialism.
    Can a society be a supporter of both liberty and equality? Is equality inherently immoral?
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
    That's not what I said.

    If students are taught of the harm socialism has done throughout the world, the false leaders who propagandize that they will spread the wealth so that the poor will somehow be made rich, the millions who have died in the name of socialism, or otherwise had their lives ruined, then any fairly well educated person would reject it.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Teaching should not inherently biased to automatically reject socialism.
    Who said it should be? We have said they should be taught a true and accurate history of socialism. Apparently, you think, that letting them know the truth about socialism is assumed to be a bias against it.
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