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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The existence of and potential threat posed by separatist militias was well documented before this incident.



    The FBI generally has a better grasp on chatter trends and plots than does the average citizen. I'll take their word for it.
    You would think so, right? Here's something I learned when I got my BS in computer science - the FBI pays their IT folks virtually nothing, analysts included. The private sector pays three times what the feebs do for the same job, the NSA five times what the feebs pay. Where are the best folks going to work? That's right, everywhere but the FBI.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You would think so, right? Here's something I learned when I got my BS in computer science - the FBI pays their IT folks virtually nothing, analysts included. The private sector pays three times what the feebs do for the same job, the NSA five times what the feebs pay. Where are the best folks going to work? That's right, everywhere but the FBI.
    Well, that's big government though. You can't have it both ways.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

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    War, even revolution, is not murder.
    even if the revolution is based on the french revolution.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You sound like that Brevik guy.
    Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

    If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

    Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

    If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

    Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?
    So being a delusional mass murderer is OK as long as you attack "the left?"


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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Can one person make a difference to the path that a society takes? Those people that Brevik murdered were all deeply committed socialists intent on furthering the destruction of his society. The reports indicated that there were quite a number of talented youths at that camp.

    If people really are cogs and all of us are easily replaceable, then Brevik's crime would have no impact beyond the personal tragedies he inflicted. However, if individuals of talent cannot be easily replaced, then Brevik very likely altered the path that Norway is now following and will follow in the future, for those youth leaders won't be around to lead and their substitutes won't be as effective or as charismatic or as influential.

    Brevik thought he was at war. Was his crime an effective strike at his enemy or wasn't it?
    Brevik is nothing but a murderer.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So being a delusional mass murderer is OK as long as you attack "the left?"
    That's the message that you took from my post? You really do have a stupendous talent for reading between the lines material that simply isn't there and that other people don't see.

    Terrorists want to be effective. Don't they? They usually have a goal in mind. Don't they?




    Was Brevik effective or not?




    Note, the question I ask you doesn't have any lines above or below it, it's a simple 5 word question so it's impossible to read between the lines. I'm not asking you whether what Brevik did was moral, whether it should be legal, whether he should have done some things differently, or anything else you might imagine that I'm asking you. Brevik murdered the most promising stars of the rising socialist generation in Norway. Did he damage that movement or not? Remember, he had some goal in mind when he committed his act of terror.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post

    I'm all for eliminating leftist, but not at the cost of dead kids.
    Right, but that has to come through education. However the education system is such right now that teaching students little but self esteem and sensitivity training is not going to solve the problem. And of course charter school are anathema to the Democrats and the Teachers unions.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right, but that has to come through education. However the education system is such right now that teaching students little but self esteem and sensitivity training is not going to solve the problem. And of course charter school are anathema to the Democrats and the Teachers unions.
    charter schools are for people who have the money to pay, and many people don't have the money to pay charter schools. that is why public education exists
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    That's the message that you took from my post? You really do have a stupendous talent for reading between the lines material that simply isn't there and that other people don't see.

    Terrorists want to be effective. Don't they? They usually have a goal in mind. Don't they? Was Brevik effective or not?
    I doubt Brevik was effective at all because there aren't any other Breviks to take his place. Islamic terrorists are spread out around the world with another always ready to be trained and involved. We learned recently that they actually have a school for suicide bombers, as well as schools for terrorists. Brevik, and whoever his friends might be, don't come close to the real thing. There is just not enough motivation.

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