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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yet you offer nothing to contradict his assumption or expose his ignorance. That means he hit the nail on the head and rather than admit that, you resort to insults.
    I'm not required to disprove his non-sequiturs, further the militia members in question (which Grant can't even acknowledge as BEING militia members) are definitely NOT "peaceful".

    All you guys have is stupid argument using debasement of language as your main tactic.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm not required to disprove his non-sequiturs, further the militia members in question (which Grant can't even acknowledge as BEING militia members) are definitely NOT "peaceful".

    All you guys have is stupid argument using debasement of language as your main tactic.
    More insults. Very convincing

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    More insults. Very convincing
    Insulting stupid argument by posters is perfectly fine.

    Bone up on creating argument that is not stupid.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Remember all the outrage in 2009, when DHS put out a report about the increasing danger of right wing terrorism?
    Meh, "terrorists" is what they'd call the Founding Fathers as well. So it's a useless word. Also this wouldn't be terrorism. It could be considered an act of treason, but not terrorism. Terror isn't being used as the mechanism to elicit change, revolution is.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Terror absolutely can be used in that way, and it's extremely arguable that that's what violent Salafi actions are aimed at.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Insulting stupid argument by posters is perfectly fine.

    Bone up on creating argument that is not stupid.
    Arrogance and name calling is no substitute for argument. Bone up on that.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, "terrorists" is what they'd call the Founding Fathers as well. So it's a useless word. Also this wouldn't be terrorism. It could be considered an act of treason, but not terrorism. Terror isn't being used as the mechanism to elicit change, revolution is.
    Ah yes, the old "debase language" tactic once again.

    As I said in response to this stupid argument technique...bone up on smart argument.

    PS:

    Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

    18 U.S.C. 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

    "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

    Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*
    "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

    Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
    Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
    18 U.S.C. 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

    Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
    Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).
    * FISA defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the U.S. with "totally" outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. 1801(c).

    FBI — Terrorism Definition
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, "terrorists" is what they'd call the Founding Fathers as well. So it's a useless word. Also this wouldn't be terrorism. It could be considered an act of treason, but not terrorism. Terror isn't being used as the mechanism to elicit change, revolution is.
    Terrorists if they are the bad guys. Freedom fighters if they are the good gays according the the media it invokes peoples emotions, and the little they know of a given situation they are of course going to side with freedom fighters and hate terrorists

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Arrogance and name calling is no substitute for argument. Bone up on that.
    Your argument is hopeless, it cannot differentiate between person and argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah yes, the old "debase language" tactic once again.

    As I said in response to this stupid argument technique...bone up on smart argument.

    PS:

    Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

    18 U.S.C. 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

    "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

    Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*
    "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

    Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
    Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
    18 U.S.C. 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

    Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
    Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).
    * FISA defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the U.S. with "totally" outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. 1801(c).

    FBI — Terrorism Definition
    I know the government has a very liberal definition of terrorism, it's so they can evoke more of their power more often to keep people under thumb. That has nothing to do with the point. Terrorism is an act that inherently seeks to use terror and fear to elicit political change. Revolution is not that, revolution is revolt.

    Revolution, BTW, is a proper and reserved right of The People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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