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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The problem, as has been shown many times, lies with the for-profit companies that are running many of the charter schools. They don't care about the kids education, all they care about is making money for their investors.
    Then the parents can remove them.


    But this is not the subject of this thread - try not to divert from the subject, please
    We were talking of a better educated electorate which doesn't fall for these political slogans with simplistic promises of Chicken in every pot or, the more common, hope and change. All politicians promise a variety of these slogans, without many real differences, dressed up to be new.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's not the point. Not surprisingly you missed it. Going off the word "socialist" in "National Socialist" as proof is like going off the word "Democratic" as proof that North Korea is a democracy.
    These are cliches and appear every time this argument arises. The point is that no one in the middle or 'the right' supported Communism, no matter what they called themselves. They went by their record and their history. The Left supported Communism.

    No one, apart from a few leftists, would ever support North Korea but of course Leftists supported east German, despite the word Democracy being used.

    Both sides, taking a worldwide view, have supported totalitarianism. Franco, Salazar and Pinochet were plenty totalitarian, and plenty right wing. In fact, the American right wing supported Pinochet and may have put him in charge in the first place. The GOP were big supporters of Mubarak (plenty totalitarian), and at one point Saddam Hussein (plenty totalitarian).
    The Chilean people supported Pinochet because he avoided a civil war in Chile. You know nothing of this period. He later ran for election, lost and resigned. The Americans did not put Pinochet in charge. You are still buying into left wing propaganda from the 70's despite the evidence made available during the interim. The others you mention go beyond the left and right slogans.

    But I guess we should ignore those instances because they're an "inconvenient truth" for you. I also don't go around equating those regimes with American Conservatives, because that would be a very tired and dishonest thing to do. Dishonesty, of course, doesn't stop you.
    An 'inconvenient truth'? Hardly.

    The fact is that Communism was Left no matter what they called themselves. And while there might be a difference between Coke and Pepsi they are both soft drinks, just as Fascism and Communism are both totalitarian.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How about the United Soviet Socialist Republics? That's the worst stain in world history and one most of the left in the democracies supported.
    Uh, that was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But I got your meaning. There for a second, I thought that was what he wanted to rename the US.
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then the parents can remove them.


    We were talking of a better educated electorate which doesn't fall for these political slogans with simplistic promises of Chicken in every pot or, the more common, hope and change. All politicians promise a variety of these slogans, without many real differences, dressed up to be new.
    NOT in this thread. This one is supposed to be about right wing gun nuts thinking they can start a new revolution by attacking innocent people.

    Why are those who call themselves "Independent" or Libertarian or Conservative unable or unwilling to discuss matters when it is shown that some folks with similar political leanings are freakin' insane? Is it because of a tendency to smear all Progressives, Liberals and Socialists when an individual or small group calling itself Leftist commits a crime?
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    These are cliches and appear every time this argument arises. The point is that no one in the middle or 'the right' supported Communism, no matter what they called themselves. They went by their record and their history. The Left supported Communism.

    No one, apart from a few leftists, would ever support North Korea but of course Leftists supported east German, despite the word Democracy being used.





    The fact is that Communism was Left no matter what they called themselves. And while there might be a difference between Coke and Pepsi they are both soft drinks, just as Fascism and Communism are both totalitarian.
    You'll find a way to weasel out of anything. Still can't bring yourself to admit that the right supported Pinochet, Mubarak, and Hussein who were totalitarian leaders.


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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    NOT in this thread. This one is supposed to be about right wing gun nuts thinking they can start a new revolution by attacking innocent people.

    Why are those who call themselves "Independent" or Libertarian or Conservative unable or unwilling to discuss matters when it is shown that some folks with similar political leanings are freakin' insane? Is it because of a tendency to smear all Progressives, Liberals and Socialists when an individual or small group calling itself Leftist commits a crime?
    It's just the one poster (well, more than one). Let's not tar the reputation of honest and reliable Conservatives on this board by lumping them in with this waste of bandwidth.


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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's just the one poster (well, more than one). Let's not tar the reputation of honest and reliable Conservatives on this board by lumping them in with this waste of bandwidth.
    You are right (er - correct). I just did the very thing I accused the other guys of doing. I should have written "Why are SOME OF those who call themselves "Independent" or Libertarian or Conservative unable or unwilling to discuss matters ..."
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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Uh, that was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But I got your meaning. There for a second, I thought that was what he wanted to rename the US.
    I'm pleased that you worked it out.

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You'll find a way to weasel out of anything. Still can't bring yourself to admit that the right supported Pinochet, Mubarak, and Hussein who were totalitarian leaders.
    Over 44% of the Chilean people supported Pinochet in a national election after he resigned. That's more than those who now support Barrack Obama.

    Right and left leaders supported Mubarak and Hussein only when they served their purpose. What did you expect?

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    Re: FBI: Men tried to buy bombs for government attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    NOT in this thread. This one is supposed to be about right wing gun nuts thinking they can start a new revolution by attacking innocent people.

    Why are those who call themselves "Independent" or Libertarian or Conservative unable or unwilling to discuss matters when it is shown that some folks with similar political leanings are freakin' insane? Is it because of a tendency to smear all Progressives, Liberals and Socialists when an individual or small group calling itself Leftist commits a crime?
    Has it been established that those charged are 'freakin' insane' or even 'right wing'?

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