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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Airforce has a habit of updating their airframes every few decades and the F-16 and F-18 are both showing their age. Improvements only go so far until you find the airframe needs replacement. VTOL aircraft like the F-35 are the natural replacement to the old style airframes, increasing the flexibility of the military tremendously.

    I mean, you can argue that the "military" really doesn't want these new airframes and vehicles... but then they also didn't want airplanes, aircraft carriers, tanks, rifled muskets, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Does not work that way. There is a huge difference between having superior weapons, and having vastly superior weapons. How many lives are saved by one improvement to a weapons system? Sometimes alot, and that is so even if you already have the best weapon system in the world.
    So, where does this end? Surely you know I am not advocating surrender. I have read of several cases of major weapons development that have run billions above the already lavish budgets. I have also read of instances where our soldiers died because their vehicles were not properly armored - even i an era where the military was under almost no fiscal control. So, there are smart investments and foolish ones.

    Now, if you are one of the people who believe that the spending by government in excess of revenue is a good thing (and based on our current debts - this might even be true though it seems illogical) then sure, lets not cut anything. Lets design and build better and better weapons even if the current military feels they are unnecessary (NO SARCASM INTENDED).

    But - let me respectfully point out why I don't support this thought process. We've done this on a miniature scale with our police departments. Instead of their trusty Glock and a pump shotgun, out officers now drive armored vehicles, dress in "space suits" and operate fully automatic weapons. Do you feel any safer? I don't. If anything, it's made them engage at a level that seems inappropriate, such as using large SWAT forces to arrest minor criminals. For my usual annoying anecdote, my neighbor Ulysses apparently sold drugs. Apparently he sold them to undercover officers over a period of time. Since he constantly pestered me for work (I am a landlord and I hire occasional workers for repairs and yard cleaning type stuff) he must not have been very high level. In the early morning hours, they surrounded his townhouse (shared walls) and they blew his door off with grenades, they dragged his little kids screaming violently out of the house, threw them to the ground and they must have used 50 officers in this project. When I opened my garage door (not realizing WTF was going on) they pointed a gun at me and ordered me to get the **** back inside (which I did instantly). There was no resistance - in another era, 3 detectives would have accomplished the arrest.

    Our military is pretty well armed right now. How much better do they need to be? 100 times? 10 times? double? Where does it stop? Not developing a trillion dollar plane is not the same as proper armor for a battle vehicle. Nobody would suggest we don't protect our soldiers or invest in maintaining the equipment they use. Nobody would suggest that we don't research improvements to our current aircraft. But if we won't close any bases, we won't stop building unrequested systems, we will just consume more and more of our resources on a military that already spends nearly what the rest of the world spends every year.

    I'm an army brat. My father was a 100% disabled Veteran until he died in 2012. Blinded in the Korean war, he lived in darkness for so many decades. I am not anti-military. I just feel that it may be time to lower the priorities the military gets. If you genuinely believe that every one of these projects they want to cancel will risk that same sad ending for heros like my Father, then sure, lets forget about spending restrictions and print up another trillion. But lets stop bitching about "government spending". Apparently it doesn't matter.

    FWIW, Israel spends 14 billion compared to our 680 billion. They are subject to attack by every country they have borders with. We do not have but 2 borders. Nobody seems to be willing or able to attack us other than lunatic terrorist groups. Is there anything to be learned from this? Maybe not, maybe I'm wrong.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I cannot thank this post enough. Soldiers are an absolutely critical part of our military and I dislike any cuts to their pay, or even subpar raises. However, the position we are in is that government spending is going to be cut. If you do that, you have to cut from the military, and if you do that, you have to do it in a way that gives you the best possible military for the money. That means hard choices have to be made. Until I see the full list of how this is done, I cannot really comment on whether I think it is the right plan, but that soldier pay and benefits are going to be negatively impacted is something that was inevitable.

    I think before we again start talking about cutting the military, we should hold the governments feet to the fire over fixing entitlements....It's kind of like this whole immigration thing. Fix the border security first then talk about the rest....
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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I think (as a non American) the cuts are manpower cuts to reduce down to pre WW2 levels - not to reduce equipment down to pre WW2 levels.

    This graph may help you understand how you're still spending at least as much as the next 14 biggest spenders on the military and that includes Russia and China's budget combined.



    Why do you "need" to spend 3 times as much as China and Russia's total yearly expenditure anyway?
    All the equipment in the world is useless without the manpower to use it.
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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I think (as a non American) the cuts are manpower cuts to reduce down to pre WW2 levels - not to reduce equipment down to pre WW2 levels.

    This graph may help you understand how you're still spending at least as much as the next 14 biggest spenders on the military and that includes Russia and China's budget combined.



    Why do you "need" to spend 3 times as much as China and Russia's total yearly expenditure anyway?
    Partially because we protect our allies that don't spend so much. Besides. How much do the people making military equipment in China make vs. our union labor in Boeing et al?

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think before we again start talking about cutting the military, we should hold the governments feet to the fire over fixing entitlements....It's kind of like this whole immigration thing. Fix the border security first then talk about the rest....
    Absolutely.

    At least the military personnel are working for the tax payer money they get. I say the first cuts should go to the non producers of society.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Absolutely.

    At least the military personnel are working for the tax payer money they get. I say the first cuts should go to the non producers of society.
    I think two years in the military should be mandatory at age 18.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Congress?
    No, it was Obama's plan.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I think two years in the military should be mandatory at age 18.
    I would never want to serve with slaves. Conscripts are, throughout history, unreliable.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, it was Obama's plan.
    It appears the House is fighting any pay cuts.

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    Re: Pentegon set to release new cuts to Active Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I think two years in the military should be mandatory at age 18.
    I would like everyone to sever, but it isn't practical in our nation.

    Do they get to keep their weapon after the two years is up?

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