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Mexico cartel chief 'El Chapo' captured alive, says US official

joG said:
Now that we have established a basis, would you allow doping in sports?
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I would if the doping were not harmful to health. It appears not to be healthy, however. Personally, I don't like drugs whether legal or illegal, prescription or street bought. I avoid them. But I'm aware enough to understand that prohibition doesn't work and that my attitudes toward drugs aren't universal.
 
fmw said:
I would if the doping were not harmful to health. It appears not to be healthy, however. Personally, I don't like drugs whether legal or illegal, prescription or street bought. I avoid them. But I'm aware enough to understand that prohibition doesn't work and that my attitudes toward drugs aren't universal.
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Sounds okay by me.
 
I hear the WHO in the background singing "meet the new boss - same as the old boss".
 
Mason66 said:
So I guess the shoot out between the cartel and the military here in my town are for show as well?
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When a shootout happens between the "police" and cartel operatives, it is actually a shootout between one cartel faction and the "police" forces owned and operated by a competing one.
 
haymarket said:
I hear the WHO in the background singing "meet the new boss - same as the old boss".
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Because it is the same as the old boss. The whole arrest was staged. The official story coming out of the (cartel-backed) Mexican media makes no sense at all.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm currently in Zeta country. The opinion around here is that this either means war or calmer times ahead. There are rumors that the Templars from Michoacan are headed this way after failing to push back local civilian forces. Zetas are controlling the bigger cities in Nayarit and the Fiscal General of the state has links to organized crime. The possibilities right now: The Zetas could make a powergrab into the SC's turf if it shows any kind of weakness. With many Templars headed this way, there is also possible war with them. There is also the possibility of the Templars being crushed by both government, civilian and cartel forces before they get here.

Our best hope is for the Sinaloa Cartel to remain relatively strong. If they can do that, we'll avoid 3-4 types of situation where a cartel war is a very likely possibility.
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One way for a cartel to remain strong is to ensure that its leader is never shot or captured, and faking his death/arrest makes that more likely.
 
Put his head on a stake and post it at the border, facing Mexico. Jailing him and putting him on trial is a waste of resources,,, not worth the effort.
 
SO what? El Guapo has already replaced him.
 
solletica said:
When a shootout happens between the "police" and cartel operatives, it is actually a shootout between one cartel faction and the "police" forces owned and operated by a competing one.
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You are so sure about your ignorance. That must be nice.
 
Mason66 said:
You are so sure about your ignorance. That must be nice.
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What's nice (and :lamo) is mason66's belief that cops in Mexico prefer to get tiny federal salaries instead of that what the cartels pay them.
 
What's even more :lol: is how many naivos bought the Mexican media's line about El Chapo being caught when authorities intercepted is Sat phone communications?!

So a top drug lord is dumb enough to talk on phones using unencrypted data, which anyone knows can be intercepted (including by other cartels?) He's been using cell/Sat phones all this time to talk to subordinates and has never been caught? ? :rolleyes:
 
solletica said:
What's nice (and :lamo) is mason66's belief that cops in Mexico prefer to get tiny federal salaries instead of that what the cartels pay them.
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YOu have not told us all where you get your information.

Please let us know so you don't look so ignorant with your baseless accusations.
 
solletica said:
What's even more :lol: is how many naivos bought the Mexican media's line about El Chapo being caught when authorities intercepted is Sat phone communications?!

So a top drug lord is dumb enough to talk on phones using unencrypted data, which anyone knows can be intercepted (including by other cartels?) He's been using cell/Sat phones all this time to talk to subordinates and has never been caught? ? :rolleyes:
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Are you alleging the Mexican government is under the pay of the Sinaloan cartel and what do you have to back it up?
 
americanwoman said:
Are you alleging the Mexican government is under the pay of the Sinaloan cartel and what do you have to back it up?
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I have been asking that for pages.

If what he/she says is true then I wouldn't see a lot of the things I see here in Sinaloa. Life would be a lot simpler if what he/she said was true.
 
solletica said:
One way for a cartel to remain strong is to ensure that its leader is never shot or captured, and faking his death/arrest makes that more likely.
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If you actually knew anything about how Mexico works, you'd know that suggesting a "fake death" or "fake arrest" is about the stupidest thing any cartel boss could do.
 
americanwoman said:
Are you alleging the Mexican government is under the pay of the Sinaloan cartel
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BZZZT. Why is it that posters have to distort what I say to prove their point?

I said that a large pct. of the Mexican govt. (more than 50%) is under the pay of various drug cartels and federations, not just the Sinaloa.
 
Mason66 said:
I have been asking that for pages.

If what he/she says is true then I wouldn't see a lot of the things I see here in Sinaloa. Life would be a lot simpler if what he/she said was true.
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Life will never be that simple because there isn't just one illicit drug organization in Mexico; there are several, w/multiple allegiances/alliances.
 
Mason66 said:
YOu have not told us all where you get your information.
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You haven't told us why someone would prefer to work for pennies when they can get paid 1000x more for the same job by simply changing employers.
 
Hatuey said:
If you actually knew anything about how Mexico works, you'd know that suggesting a "fake death" or "fake arrest" is about the stupidest thing any cartel boss could do.
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Explain why.
 
solletica said:
You haven't told us why someone would prefer to work for pennies when they can get paid 1000x more for the same job by simply changing employers.
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Please stop avoiding the question. You have made some assertions here and I would like to know, as well as many other posters, where you get your information.

You seem pretty sure about what you think you know, but at least two of us here that live in Mexico know that what you say is completely wrong.

Please enlighten us as to where you are getting your inside information.
 
solletica said:
You haven't told us why someone would prefer to work for pennies when they can get paid 1000x more for the same job by simply changing employers.
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Maybe they have morals or value their families lives. Or they want the violence to end. There are many reasons. Then you are suggesting the arrest of Guzman was staged for his own benefit, in doing so you are saying the Sinaloan cartel has the majority control of the federal Mexican government, or no?
 
americanwoman said:
Maybe they have morals or value their families lives.
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If they have morals and family values, they would know they'd have to align w/a cartel leader for protection or else get killed (or tortured) by another cop or operative who does work for one.
 
Mason66 said:
Please stop avoiding the question. You have made some assertions here and I would like to know, as well as many other posters, where you get your information.

You seem pretty sure about what you think you know, but at least two of us here that live in Mexico know that what you say is completely wrong.

Please enlighten us as to where you are getting your inside information.
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Most Mexicans, i. e. those who have grown up in Mexico, acknowledge that the cartels run the govt. to a large degree and that the whole El Chapo arrest affair was staged.

The only people who don't know this are naive Americans who have no street smarts and buy whatever their govt. tells them (i. e. "Iraq has WMDs", "the NSA doesn't spy", "we don't torture", . . .)
 
solletica said:
Most Mexicans, i. e. those who have grown up in Mexico, acknowledge that the cartels run the govt. to a large degree and that the whole El Chapo arrest affair was staged.

The only people who don't know this are naive Americans who have no street smarts and buy whatever their govt. tells them (i. e. "Iraq has WMDs", "the NSA doesn't spy", "we don't torture", . . .)
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Are you Mexican or have you spent a significant amount of time in Mexico?

I am not denying cartels pay off the government, or even work with them but what else besides that knowledge do you have that his arrest was staged and to who's advantage and why? Because if it is to one cartels advantage they have majority control and that effects many.
 
solletica said:
Most Mexicans, i. e. those who have grown up in Mexico, acknowledge that the cartels run the govt. to a large degree and that the whole El Chapo arrest affair was staged.

The only people who don't know this are naive Americans who have no street smarts and buy whatever their govt. tells them (i. e. "Iraq has WMDs", "the NSA doesn't spy", "we don't torture", . . .)
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You have that backwards. Most Mexicans assume what is going on because they don't know anything for sure. There is no press reporting anything and unless they know people personally, they don't know.

As for Americans, I don't give a crap what they think they know, they are not here on the streets.

Please answer me this. If the cartel has control of the government, why are the money laundering laws so strict?

If the cartel has control of the government why do banks not accept dollars anymore?

If the cartel has control of the government why did the government make it almost illegal for a business to accept dollars as payment?

If the cartel has control of the government why do the police have an operation every night to stop vehicles usually connected with the cartel to see who and what they can find and get them off the street?

If the cartel has control of the government why are there shoot outs with officers dying every week?

If the cartel has control of the government why are there trucks full of army and marines driving on the streets looking for the cartel members?

If what you say is true, none of this would be happening because it is a waste of time and resources.

Who do you know close to the cartels? I don't need names, just their positions.
 
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