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Mexico cartel chief 'El Chapo' captured alive, says US official

ChrisL said:
This sounds like good news, but do you think it will make a difference? I'm thinking that there is just another person in line waiting to take his place.
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There are actually two guys that may or may not be trying to take his place in the Sinaloan Cartel. If the power gets handed over smoothly it could be business as usual. If there is any power struggle that will make a huge difference both for the Sinaloan cartel and the other ones who will jump at that.
 
americanwoman said:
There are actually two guys that may or may not be trying to take his place in the Sinaloan Cartel. If the power gets handed over smoothly it could be business as usual. If there is any power struggle that will make a huge difference both for the Sinaloan cartel and the other ones who will jump at that.
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Hopefully, they have plans for that. If WE realize that, I'm sure the Mexican authorities and officials must too. It would be really nice to see that country come together and beat this scourge of drug cartels. Colombia was quite successful. Granted, a lot of people didn't necessarily agree with their methods, but they really put a HUGE dent in the problem there.
 
solletica said:
How do you know it's him? Because the some Mexican police in Sinaloa said so. . ? Because the Mexican attorney general said he had DNA evidence :lamo

It's well known that Chapo and other drug barons bribe officials, so thoroughly that they actually end up controlling 1/2 or more of the govt. of the country in which they have HQ. With that much control, arrest, or at least permanent jail time is impossible.

The more likely scenario is that Chapo cut a deal w/Pena Nieto that he would keep the streets a bit quieter if Nieto set up a mock arrest of him, and lied to the media claiming he was actually the one arrested.

Chapo probably just wanted to be left alone, and playing dead (or arrested) is a nice way to do that. His less noodle-minded rivals will likely buy the Mexican govt's line, just like you did :)
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How do I know it is him? I saw a picture of him in custody held by 3 Marines. You are making a lot of assumptions here.

This fantasy that Americans have that the Mexican government is controlled by the cartels is just that, a fantasy.

Out money laundering laws are so strict it is hard to even conduct legal business here because they assume everybody is laundering money.

If the cartel controlled the government, none of those laws would exist.

Again I will ask you, where do you get your information?
 
solletica said:
Where are you getting your information? ? From the same media stations in Mexico controlled by Guzman himself? :lamo
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How about family members and other people that know him and the situation.

Now your turn.
 
solletica said:
There's no police or members of the armed forces in Mexico anywhere that are independent of the cartels.
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So I guess the shoot out between the cartel and the military here in my town are for show as well?

The smashed up bullet-ridden police trucks really don't exist? The body shop I use will be glad to know that he doesn't have to fix the Chevrolet truck the was smashed and has a ton of bullet holes in it.
 
americanwoman said:
There are actually two guys that may or may not be trying to take his place in the Sinaloan Cartel. If the power gets handed over smoothly it could be business as usual. If there is any power struggle that will make a huge difference both for the Sinaloan cartel and the other ones who will jump at that.
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It will make a huge difference for us people waling the streets here in Sinaloa.
 
Mason66 said:
It will make a huge difference for us people waling the streets here in Sinaloa.
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I'm sure it will. Getting caught in the crossfire between rival gangs is not anything anyone needs.
The violence will continue as long as there is a market for illegal drugs in the USA.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'm sure it will. Getting caught in the crossfire between rival gangs is not anything anyone needs.
The violence will continue as long as there is a market for illegal drugs in the USA.
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It is not just the US, it is other places as well. I also don't think the cartels are going to disappear if the US legalizes all drugs.

Just like in Colorado, they are taxing it so much people are still going to buy it illegally, just now they can't be arrested for possession or use.
 
Here's an interesting article I found. Unfortunately, with the successes in Columbia purging their drug cartels, this could explain why the problem seems to have exploded in Mexico.

Plan Colombia might have been considered a success from the perspective of the US and Colombian governments. According to estimates, efficient training and the dramatic expansion of local police forces and military following Álvaro Uribe’s election as president in 2002, led to a 60 per cent drop in cocaine production by 2009. Today the country is no longer exclusively associated with the drug. However, Plan Colombia didn’t eradicate the problem but only succeeded in pushing the drug traffickers towards Mexico.

In Mexico, 2010 was the bloodiest year since the beginning of the crackdown with over 10,000 gang-related killings.The drug trade in Mexico originated in the 1980s and was characterised by transport organisations. Mexico was a transshipment point, being a direct neighbour of the US. With the demise of the Colombian Cali and Medellin cartels under Plan Colombia and the closure of the Caribbean cocaine route, the Mexican cartels became the predominant smugglers of South American drugs. Facing this new threat, the US launched the Merida Initiative. Similar to Plan Colombia, the initiative aims at expanding and supplying Mexican security forces with security training on a technological and hands-on basis.
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This is a REALLY complicated issue with so many different layers and players. I don't know if the problem will ever be fully eradicated, but I think they could follow the Colombia model and at least make it a safer place for residents.
 
ChrisL said:
Here's an interesting article I found. Unfortunately, with the successes in Columbia purging their drug cartels, this could explain why the problem seems to have exploded in Mexico.



This is a REALLY complicated issue with so many different layers and players. I don't know if the problem will ever be fully eradicated, but I think they could follow the Colombia model and at least make it a safer place for residents.
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I don't think Columbia was a safe place for the residents while the operation was going on. Maybe afterwards it was for the people that were still alive.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't think Columbia was a safe place for the residents while the operation was going on. Maybe afterwards it was for the people that were still alive.
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Oh no, not while the "war" was happening, but I'm talking about now. I think that life has improved there for a lot of people. No longer living in fear and under the thumb of drug cartels, or at least less so than in the past.
 
fmw said:
Perhaps. That really depends on who replaces him.
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There is that problem with the Hydra. A good reason to legalize drugs.
 
Mason66 said:
It is not just the US, it is other places as well. I also don't think the cartels are going to disappear if the US legalizes all drugs.

Just like in Colorado, they are taxing it so much people are still going to buy it illegally, just now they can't be arrested for possession or use.
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They might not "disappear" but it might really hurt "business" for them. They probably wouldn't be NEARLY as powerful. I just wonder about the unintended consequences of legalizing drugs like cocaine, or even harder drugs.
 
ChrisL said:
They might not "disappear" but it might really hurt "business" for them. They probably wouldn't be NEARLY as powerful. I just wonder about the unintended consequences of legalizing drugs like cocaine, or even harder drugs.
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The business to get into would be the funeral business.
 
ChrisL said:
They might not "disappear" but it might really hurt "business" for them. They probably wouldn't be NEARLY as powerful. I just wonder about the unintended consequences of legalizing drugs like cocaine, or even harder drugs.
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Unless they were taxed outrageously, it's hard to see how the smugglers could compete with above board producers.
 
I'm currently in Zeta country. The opinion around here is that this either means war or calmer times ahead. There are rumors that the Templars from Michoacan are headed this way after failing to push back local civilian forces. Zetas are controlling the bigger cities in Nayarit and the Fiscal General of the state has links to organized crime. The possibilities right now: The Zetas could make a powergrab into the SC's turf if it shows any kind of weakness. With many Templars headed this way, there is also possible war with them. There is also the possibility of the Templars being crushed by both government, civilian and cartel forces before they get here.

Our best hope is for the Sinaloa Cartel to remain relatively strong. If they can do that, we'll avoid 3-4 types of situation where a cartel war is a very likely possibility.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm currently in Zeta country. The opinion around here is that this either means war or calmer times ahead. There are rumors that the Templars from Michoacan are headed this way after failing to push back local civilian forces. Zetas are controlling the bigger cities in Nayarit and the Fiscal General of the state has links to organized crime. The possibilities right now: The Zetas could make a powergrab into the SC's turf if it shows any kind of weakness. With many Templars headed this way, there is also possible war with them. There is also the possibility of the Templars being crushed by both government, civilian and cartel forces before they get here.

Our best hope is for the Sinaloa Cartel to remain relatively strong. If they can do that, we'll avoid 3-4 types of situation where a cartel war is a very likely possibility.
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All I can do at this point is cross my fingers and keep talking to the people I know to see if the winds are changing.

Good luck in Zeta country.
 
Mason66 said:
All I can do at this point is cross my fingers and keep talking to the people I know to see if the winds are changing.

Good luck in Zeta country.
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I'll give the Zetas one thing, they've managed to keep this area relatively calm. Murders and kidnappings still occur but it's nowhere near what it was 2 years ago. I'm more concerned with the Templars coming this way. Dudes are ruthless and terrible for business.
 
Hatuey said:
I'll give the Zetas one thing, they've managed to keep this area relatively calm. Murders and kidnappings still occur but it's nowhere near what it was 2 years ago. I'm more concerned with the Templars coming this way. Dudes are ruthless and terrible for business.
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The US is asking Mexico to send Chapo to them. That is funny. Mexico wants him first. He got away from them in 2001 and embarrassed them.

It will be interesting to see what happens fromhere.
 
Probably means nothing...someone else will just take his place.

As long as drugs are illegal...cartels will thrive...no matter what law enforcement does.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wonder who will take his place? Surely, no one thinks his capture will be the end of drug smuggling from Mexico do they?
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We all know how this works; his place has already been taken, probably by the person in his organization and with the help of the Mexican government. Moves like this don't happen without somebody pulling the strings.
 
joG said:
There is that problem with the Hydra. A good reason to legalize drugs.
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The better reason is that we have learned twice now that prohibition doesn't work.
 
That's why you go out like Tony Montana, man. Saves you the indignity of the perp walk.
 
fmw said:
The better reason is that we have learned twice now that prohibition doesn't work.
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Now that we have established a basis, would you allow doping in sports?
 
Kobie said:
That's why you go out like Tony Montana, man. Saves you the indignity of the perp walk.
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I like Hannah Montana better.
 
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