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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    The problem with Putin and his fraction was that they intended to perpetuate the old Soviet mythology about WWII.
    Ukrainians have their own national identity, they have their own national heroes that fought for the independence of their country during WWII.
    It is obvious that they would have collaborated with anybody who fought against the communists, because about 7 Million Ukrainians were killed during the Holodomor by Bolshevik thugs.

    It is stupid to call the Ukrainian national heroes "Nazis" and "Anti-Semites", that is old and you will not get any support among the ukrainian people if you chose this tactic.

    But that was precisely what Putin and his fraction in the Ukraine did, but this only antagonised the Ukrainians.




    Yes, the Crimea Peninsula is part of Russia, and there are a lot of Russian speakers in East Ukraine. Many of them were moved to Ukraine after the Holodomor, to replace the killed Ukrainians.

    I think that Kremlin will be happy with the split of Ukraine into two parts, and the re-unification of Crimea with Russia.

    But the ruling American elite needs the Crimean Peninsula for another military base.

    They do not need Ukraine without the Crimean Peninsula, and the Kremlin will not give away Crimean Peninsula, because it is Part of Russia.

    That means that the conflict is only beginning.

    I guess that the West will try a coup against Putin, too. They will create an "Orange Revolution" in Russia, too.
    I can imagine that there will be barricades on the Red Square in a couple of month, and Putin will have to flee to North Korea.

    Putin has done a lot of good things to Russian people, he is a clever man. But is adversaries are even more clever, and they use diabolic tactics that Putin cannot even dream about. He believes that if he calls the opposition in the Ukraine "Nazis" and "Anti-Semites", then he can kind of reach an agreement with western powers, that the opposition is not "kosher" and shall not be supported.

    But that is not the way western elite conquers the world!



    Today Ukrainian allies of the West may become enemies in a couple of years and sued in Den Haag, but today the West will support "them Nazis" and "them Anti-Semites" to get Putin out of power who is the main obstacle to the agenda of globalists.

    No one in the US wants a base in the Crimea.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I'm not a communist, and I have no problems admitting all the horrendous things that were done in and by USSR.
    However, dude you are a Nazi-apologist, admit it and live with it.
    Fallen.
    I believe that you are a radical Zionists who does not mind "Nazi-Tactics", used by Zionists, if these tactis are good for Israel, but this is only my own opinion.

    The letter condemned Herut as well akin to Nazi and Fascist parties as a Terrorist party and was signed by over two dozen prominent Jewish intellectuals including Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Zellig Harris and Sidney Hook.

    Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. (...) It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. (...) Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.[5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herut
    Now you know what I think about you, and I know what you think about me, and I do not care a rat's ass about your opinion.

    Stop your childish name calling and concentrate on my arguments.

    Attack the message, not the messenger!
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one in the US wants a base in the Crimea.
    Putin is not as stupid, as Western elite would like him to be.
    They promised to Gorbachev that NATO will be abolished after the abolishment of the Warsaw Pact.
    But today Russia is encircled by Nato military bases.

    As one clever American once said: You cannot fool all of the people all of the time... and Putin is not stupid.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Putin is not as stupid, as Western elite would like him to be.
    They promised to Gorbachev that NATO will be abolished after the abolishment of the Warsaw Pact.
    But today Russia is encircled by Nato military bases.

    As one clever American once said: You cannot fool all of the people all of the time... and Putin is not stupid.
    No one ever promised Gorbachev the abolition of NATO. Gorbachev was simply a sorcerer's apprentice who blundered into the destruction of his country.
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    I believe that you are a radical Zionists who does not mind "Nazi-Tactics", used by Zionists, if these tactis are good for Israel, but this is only my own opinion.



    Now you know what I think about you, and I know what you think about me, and I do not care a rat's ass about your opinion.

    Stop your childish name calling and concentrate on my arguments.

    Attack the message, not the messenger!
    I almost started to wonder when the huge red letters, and Wiki links would appear.

    Dude, some suggestions you really need to stop;
    a. Getting your knowledge from Wiki...lol
    b. Jumping from topic to topic..you managed to jump from current Ukraine events, to Katyn, Communism, USSR, Israel, Zionism...and more, only in few posts lol
    c. Quote mining the people you are responding to.

    If there was a message/messenger to "attack" ....alas all I've seen so far is another deluded Nazi-apologist which jumps from topic to topic, uses quote mining and large red letters highlighting Wiki quotes.

    Btw, I'm Russian.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one ever promised Gorbachev the abolition of NATO.
    Of course they promised to him that there will be no further expansion of NATO, and that NATO will be eventually abolished.
    If that was not the case, the reaction of the opponents of Gorbachev in the communist party would have been very, very different.


    In an interview with SPIEGEL at his residence outside Moscow in early November, President Dmitry Medvedev complained that when the Berlin Wall came down, it had “not been possible to redefine Russia’s place in Europe.” What did Russia get? “None of the things that we were assured, namely that NATO would not expand endlessly eastwards and our interests would be continuously taken into consideration,” Medvedev said.

    Different Versions

    The question of what Moscow was in fact promised in 1990 has sparked a historical dispute with far-reaching consequences for Russia’s future relationship with the West. But what exactly is the truth?

    The various players involved have different versions of events. Of course there was a promise not to expand NATO “as much as a thumb’s width further to the East,” Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet president at the time, says in Moscow today.

    ...

    Jack Matlock, the US ambassador in Moscow at the time, has said in the past that Moscow was given a “clear commitment.” Hans-Dietrich Genscher, the German foreign minister in 1990, says this was precisely not the case.

    After speaking with many of those involved and examining previously classified British and German documents in detail, SPIEGEL has concluded that there was no doubt that the West did everything it could to give the Soviets the impression that NATO membership was out of the question for countries like Poland, Hungary or Czechoslovakia.

    On Feb. 10, 1990, between 4 and 6:30 p.m., Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: “We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east.” And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: “As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general.”

    Shevardnadze replied that he believed “everything the minister (Genscher) said.”

    NATO’s Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow? | Global Research

    Genscher, Shevardnadze and Baker are shameless liars.

    If I were Putin, I would never believe any promises given by the western politicians.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    a. Getting your knowledge from Wiki...lol
    Is the quoted information true or not?
    Can you answer this simple question?

    You have not contributed to this thread anything besides personal attacks.

    BTW, this thread is not about me.

    If somebody exposes the crimes of Communists and Zionists, then he is an honest person.

    If Communists and Zionists do not have any counter-arguments, except calling his opponent a "Nazi", then you can be sure that your arguments are good.


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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Is the quoted information true or not?
    Can you answer this simple question?

    You have not contributed to this thread anything besides personal attacks.

    BTW, this thread is not about me.

    If somebody exposes the crimes of Communists and Zionists, then he is an honest person.

    If Communists and Zionists do not have any counter-arguments, except calling his opponent a "Nazi", then you can be sure that your arguments are good.


    You tell me, you're the one with the Wiki sources with huge red letters.
    Btw...my actual, entire post was the one you can see below. I see that you again "cherry picked" only a part of it. lol

    "I almost started to wonder when the huge red letters, and Wiki links would appear.

    Dude, some suggestions you really need to stop;
    a. Getting your knowledge from Wiki...lol
    b. Jumping from topic to topic..you managed to jump from current Ukraine events, to Katyn, Communism, USSR, Israel, Zionism...and more, only in few posts lol
    c. Quote mining the people you are responding to.

    If there was a message/messenger to "attack" ....alas all I've seen so far is another deluded Nazi-apologist which jumps from topic to topic, uses quote mining and large red letters highlighting Wiki quotes.

    Btw, I'm Russian. "


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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    ...
    As expected, no answer to my questions, no contribution to the topic of the discussion.
    Just more name calling and more trolling.

    I will probably put you on my ignore list.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    As expected, no answer to my questions, no contribution to the topic of the discussion.
    Just more name calling and more trolling.

    I will probably put you on my ignore list.
    Good luck with that Nazi apologist.

    I don't answer idiotic questions of the sorts of: When did you stop beating your wife?

    And...you again "forgot" to quote my entire post...lol

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