Page 7 of 10 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 94

Thread: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

  1. #61
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Denio Junction
    Last Seen
    11-13-14 @ 12:09 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    7,039
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    That if you cross George Soro's he can tank your govt to make some money off your collapse.


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev


    So what can Washington, DC learn from this? That listening to the people is important maybe?

  2. #62
    Guru
    Fallenangel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Israel/Russia/UK
    Last Seen
    11-12-17 @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,416

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I knew enough to know the regime was doomed. You did not.
    Sure you did Jack, in your own reality where you debated another poster named Fallenangel.
    Now how about doing some actual Ukrainian politics/history studies.

    Fallen.
    Click me > My Artsy Stuff

    "You’ve got one life, there’s no save-point and you’re going to die. Go out like a ****ing man!" - Brad Rigney

  3. #63
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Will Ukraine split in two (pro EU/pro Russia)?
    No, they won't.

    Separatist movements exist within Ukraine, as they exist in most European countries, but haven't go the support of neither the people or the government or anyone of any value behind them. Even russian separatists have no support in eastern Ukraine.

  4. #64
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,865
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Sure you did Jack, in your own reality where you debated another poster named Fallenangel.
    Now how about doing some actual Ukrainian politics/history studies.

    Fallen.
    As demonstrated, I already know the subject better than you. You are dismissed to continue your studies. Come back when you know enough to be worth debating.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  5. #65
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You're just a sore loser. I was right. You were wrong.
    No, Jack.

    While Fallen is... well lets say he provides a different angle to the whole story, what he speaks is at least founded in some intellectual basis and informational know-how. For instance ,the idea that a new group of thieves will just assume leadership before and after the elections is not just a very real threat, it's a concern I share too. You on the other hand, do nothing but poison this thread.

  6. #66
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,865
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, Jack.

    While Fallen is... well lets say he provides a different angle to the whole story, what he speaks is at least founded in some intellectual basis and informational know-how. For instance ,the idea that a new group of thieves will just assume leadership before and after the elections is not just a very real threat, it's a concern I share too. You on the other hand, do nothing but poison this thread.
    I understand as well the likelihood that a successor regime will not be free of corruption. I have spent years living and working in such environments. I have not, however, lost faith in the redemptive power of freedom and national liberation. Nor have I forgotten the evil that accompanied Soviet power. If you have lost that faith or forgotten that evil then I suggest it is not I whose posts "poison" this thread.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  7. #67
    Guru
    Fallenangel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Israel/Russia/UK
    Last Seen
    11-12-17 @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,416

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As demonstrated, I already know the subject better than you. You are dismissed to continue your studies. Come back when you know enough to be worth debating.
    I'm sure you managed to demonstrate it very well to your self in your own personal virtual reality.
    However, real people that actually understand the situation in Ukraine are far from being as ignorant of reality as you.

    So...how about them Ukrainian studies, too hard?...cause I see you're still failing every exam and class. Keep working hard, I'm sure eventually you'd get it.

    Fallen.
    Click me > My Artsy Stuff

    "You’ve got one life, there’s no save-point and you’re going to die. Go out like a ****ing man!" - Brad Rigney

  8. #68
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I understand as well the likelihood that a successor regime will not be free of corruption. I have spent years living and working in such environments. I have not, however, lost faith in the redemptive power of freedom and national liberation. Nor have I forgotten the evil that accompanied Soviet power. If you have lost that faith or forgotten that evil then I suggest it is not I whose posts "poison" this thread.
    You see, if this would be in a vacuum, I would agree with you, but as it isn't, because I take into consideration the rest of the comments you made, at least in the last 3 pages, while theoretically you know what you're talking about, in practice, you don't.

    So now there is an interim govt, headed as president by the senate majority leader which was part of the opposition until now.

    The question is the following: will he safeguard the elections to come or "manipulate" the votes or the electorate? I have stated, for the last 3 months, ever since this thing started, that if the places were reversed, and the opposition had been the ruling party, they too would have fought tooth and nail to remain in power and nothing would have been different. The opposition is no better than the others... they're all mostly cut from the same cloth.

    We saw this not too long ago with the rise and swift fall of the "orange revolution" to which Tymoshenko, I feel, contributed the most to it's downfall, the movement that rose her to power, she killed it quickly because she sold out ukraine's interests, just like Yanukovych did 3 months ago.

    So while people are now optimistic in the streets of Kiev, who wouldn't be after what happened Friday... reality will set in on monday morning rather brutally and a new set of challenges await... for both the electorate, especially for them... and for the now ruling govt and the political class... what will they do? will they continue to be corrupt or will they reform their ways? The opposition (now sort of in power) is almost just as bad as the ruling party (not so much ruling anymore... but still kinda). The problem with political parties is that if they all are rotten, no matter who you vote for, you'll still end up nowhere.

    Faith alone is not sufficient to contribute to this thread effectively. If you are unaware of what has happened in the post-soviet era, you cannot effectively make informed posts in this thread, which for the last 2-3 pages, you haven't. It's been a penis-measuring contest between you and fallen, with you being the one with the wooden penis. Sure, it may seem longer, but at the end of the day, it's just an illusion.

  9. #69
    Guru
    Fallenangel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Israel/Russia/UK
    Last Seen
    11-12-17 @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,416

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It's been a penis-measuring contest between you and Fallen, with you being the one with the wooden penis. Sure, it may seem longer, but at the end of the day, it's just an illusion.
    LOL



    Fallen.
    Click me > My Artsy Stuff

    "You’ve got one life, there’s no save-point and you’re going to die. Go out like a ****ing man!" - Brad Rigney

  10. #70
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post


    Lenin statues toppled across Ukraine
    Beautiful.

Page 7 of 10 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •