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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

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    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev


    So what can Washington, DC learn from this? That listening to the people is important maybe?
    I thought about that myself. I understand that the president has a lot of support from the eastern part of the Ukraine as the people there are pro-Russia and closer in proximity.

    What if the majority of the country supported the president the rioters are trying to oust?

    For example, the majority of America elected President Obama not once, but twice. What if 30,000 or so rightwing extremists ascended on Washington and started burning things down? Should the government listen to that minority block of people over the millions that make up the majority?

    You see, the Ukraine president might very well be listening to the people. I have to wonder what % of the country these rebels represent.

    A government can't let the wants and desires of a handful whiney pukes over ride the will of the majority. Even if they do start throwing malitov cocktails.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I thought about that myself. I understand that the president has a lot of support from the eastern part of the Ukraine as the people there are pro-Russia and closer in proximity.

    What if the majority of the country supported the president the rioters are trying to oust?

    For example, the majority of America elected President Obama not once, but twice. What if 30,000 or so rightwing extremists ascended on Washington and started burning things down? Should the government listen to that minority block of people over the millions that make up the majority?

    You see, the Ukraine president might very well be listening to the people. I have to wonder what % of the country these rebels represent.

    A government can't let the wants and desires of a handful whiney pukes over ride the will of the majority. Even if they do start throwing malitov cocktails.

    They are not a small minority and they are not"whiney pukes", they are patriots fighting for the very soul of their country. Will it be a country based on the rule of law, or Russias interests.

    Thousands of people, outraged that a long-standing aspiration for integration with Europe had been ditched overnight, poured into central Kiev for peaceful protests. They have occupied Independence Square, ever since.

    Several developments - including police attacks on student protesters, severe new anti-protest laws, and the abduction and beating of opposition activists which have caused the demonstrations to spread and intensify. These protests are now less about Europe than about getting rid of a president who they believe is clinging to power and serving the interests of his own close circle and Mr Putin.
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I thought about that myself. I understand that the president has a lot of support from the eastern part of the Ukraine as the people there are pro-Russia and closer in proximity.

    What if the majority of the country supported the president the rioters are trying to oust?

    For example, the majority of America elected President Obama not once, but twice. What if 30,000 or so rightwing extremists ascended on Washington and started burning things down? Should the government listen to that minority block of people over the millions that make up the majority?

    You see, the Ukraine president might very well be listening to the people. I have to wonder what % of the country these rebels represent.

    A government can't let the wants and desires of a handful whiney pukes over ride the will of the majority. Even if they do start throwing malitov cocktails.
    A government that does not have the military strength or the will to use it would have no choice.

    In Washington, it wouldn't be just molotov cocktails.
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    They are not a small minority and they are not"whiney pukes", they are patriots fighting for the very soul of their country. Will it be a country based on the rule of law, or Russias interests.

    Thousands of people, outraged that a long-standing aspiration for integration with Europe had been ditched overnight, poured into central Kiev for peaceful protests. They have occupied Independence Square, ever since.

    Several developments - including police attacks on student protesters, severe new anti-protest laws, and the abduction and beating of opposition activists which have caused the demonstrations to spread and intensify. These protests are now less about Europe than about getting rid of a president who they believe is clinging to power and serving the interests of his own close circle and Mr Putin.
    I get all that. If I was a resident there I might very well be one of those out in the streets.

    But I was more wondering what portion, percentage-wise, do these rebels represent?

    I ask because I truly don't know. My concerns questioned more on the scenerio of a handful of ideologists, (in respect to total population,) creating havoc when they don't get their way. Is the government right to meet them with force?

    Obama demanded the government of Ukraine resist violence. Would America be preaching the same demands if 50k rednecks were knocking on the White House door trying to burn down the government? I submit that even our government would use violence in such a situation or to put down a coup.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    According to the BBC President Yanukovych attempted to flee to Russia and was stopped by border guards, his whereabouts are currently unknown. Furthermore several leading allies including a senior Governor and several mayors from eastern Ukraine have fled the country and that Mykhailo Dobkin Yanukovych's staunch ally and Governor of Kharkov has also fled according to Interfax. The chips seem to be falling rapidly and its possible that we may be headed towards some sort of end game sooner than was supposed.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    The mayor of Kharkiv has apparently also fled the country.

    Kharkiv mayor, governor flee Ukraine across border with Russia

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The mayor of Kharkiv has apparently also fled the country.

    Kharkiv mayor, governor flee Ukraine across border with Russia
    It seems, for now, that a comparison would be close to what happened in Romania.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I love how you have taken this potentially international crisis as a lesson for the American congress, self absorbed doesnt cover it....
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

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    Will Ukraine split in two (pro EU/pro Russia)?
    i don't think either side will accept that.
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