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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Of course they promised to him that there will be no further expansion of NATO, and that NATO will be eventually abolished.
    If that was not the case, the reaction of the opponents of Gorbachev in the communist party would have been very, very different.





    Genscher, Shevardnadze and Baker are shameless liars.

    If I were Putin, I would never believe any promises given by the western politicians.
    Gorbachev has only himself to blame. I served in Berlin 1993-96. No one believed anything had been promised to the Russians.

    Enlarging NATO, Expanding Confusion - The New York Times

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    Nov 29, 2009 - Yet the legacy of 1989 has difficult aspects as well, mostly centering on the origins and legitimacy of later NATO expansion to former East ...

    In essentially settling for a gentleman’s agreement, Mr. Gorbachev missed some important pitfalls and then failed to do anything about them. First, Mr. Kohl spoke for West Germany, not for the United States or for NATO as a whole. Second, the Soviet leader got nothing about the trans-Atlantic alliance in writing. Third, Mr. Gorbachev did not criticize Mr. Kohl publicly when he and Mr. Bush later agreed to offer only a special military status to the former East Germany instead of a pledge that NATO wouldn’t expand. Finally, he did not catch subtle signals that, by early 1990, speculative discussion in the West about NATO’s future involved the inclusion of Eastern Europe as well. Mr. Gorbachev later complained to Mr. Kohl that he felt he had fallen into a trap.
    Did the United States betray Russia at the dawn of the post-cold war era? The short answer is no. Nothing legally binding emerged from the negotiations over German unification. In fact, in September 1990, an embattled Mr. Gorbachev signed the accords that allowed NATO to extend itself over the former East Germany in exchange for financial assistance from Bonn to Moscow. A longer answer, however, shows that there were mixed messages and diplomatic ambiguities.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Gorbachev has only himself to blame.
    Yes, of course.
    He was a gullible person.
    He did not know that he was dealing with liars.

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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Yes, of course.
    He was a gullible person.
    He did not know that he was dealing with liars.
    He was a sorcerer's apprentice who blundered into the destruction of his state. Others had no responsibility for his sovereign incompetence, and no one lied to him.
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    Re: Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

    Quote Originally Posted by Art_Allm View Post
    Yes, of course.
    He was a gullible person.
    He did not know that he was dealing with liars.
    After making his way to the top of the political system of the former USSR, I doubt Gorbachev was that gullible.

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