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    UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    In an appeal filed with the National Labor Relations Board, the union asserted that "interference by politicians and outside special interest groups" had swayed the election.

    The union had faced a midnight Friday deadline for filing the action with the NLRB.
    The rejection by Volkswagen workers dealt a harsh setback to the union, especially since Volkswagen did not oppose the unionization drive.

    Nelson Lichtenstein, a labor history professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara, said the Democratic-controlled NLRB may be looking to set a precedent about union intimidation but that the VW vote doesn't present the best facts to do so.

    "If I were a liberal member of the NLRB, I'd look for a really egregious case of management interference to make a point about curbing the capacity of management to close plants or move," said Lichtenstein, who described himself as a labor supporter.
    "The prospects are poor here because it was third-party public officials."
    UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn. - ABC News

    smacks of desperation. Gov't officials can comment on what the election would mean - they provided the incentives. I just don't see "interference", but am far from knowledgeable.

    Just doesn't pass the smell test

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn. - ABC News

    smacks of desperation. Gov't officials can comment on what the election would mean - they provided the incentives. I just don't see "interference", but am far from knowledgeable.

    Just doesn't pass the smell test
    Its Obama's NLRB. So they have a good chance regardless of reason.

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    just posted about this in another thread, anticipating not only that an appeal would be made but that coker's interference would result in a second union vote
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    i suspect you guys are talking past each other

    the employee knows what he is now making, whether hourly or salaried, and that he would reduce his net income by the expense of the union dues


    what is not known is whether the union would be able to increase the wage base to overcome the cost of union dues. nation-wide, union wages exceed non-union wages for the same work. so, that enhanced compensation would not appear to be an unrealistic expectation


    you you may both be right. at present, the employees would take a hit, incurring union dues expense they would not otherwise have to pay

    over time, they probably would benefit from wage increases the union negotiated, which increase would exceed their dues expenses to be union members




    it has not been expressed yet, but there is a very good chance this thing is not over
    and due to coker and his 'interference' with the union election

    the department of labor will be the organization which certifies the vote. but if the DoL has reason to believe there was undo anti-union influence - this time from the governor's office - that could be found sufficient for DoL to deem the election results tampered with by coker's interference and insist on another election
    given that Obama attempted to counter coker's statements, and the DoL employees ultimately report to the president, do not be surprised if another election is held
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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    It could be a stupid move because all the NLRB could do is order another election. If the UAW lost again they're toast.

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    just posted about this in another thread, anticipating not only that an appeal would be made but that coker's interference would result in a second union vote
    hard to quote you, but what exactly is the definition of "interference" here? I had thought it would be some proximate cause, not just public statements.

    In other words.. the Union can say why unions would be beneficial, and the gov't that also has a stake can state why it would not?

    Obviously lacking any clues about unionization, but since you were already onto this idea .. thought you could flesh it out?

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It could be a stupid move because all the NLRB could do is order another election. If the UAW lost again they're toast.
    you post that as if it were a bad thing

    if a union is not a good fit with the employees it is going to represent, then better not to get in bed together to begin with

    but did coker's comments, that the SUV would be built in mexico instead of tennessee - if the union won - cause enough negative votes to vote out the UAW last week? NLRB might gives us a chance to see
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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    hard to quote you, but what exactly is the definition of "interference" here? I had thought it would be some proximate cause, not just public statements.

    In other words.. the Union can say why unions would be beneficial, and the gov't that also has a stake can state why it would not?

    Obviously lacking any clues about unionization, but since you were already onto this idea .. thought you could flesh it out?
    the governor's words indicated that the employees who voted for a union would suffer because the SUV would be built in mexico instead of tennessee
    but if they voted against the union the employees would build another line, giving them more job security

    that would constitute the inappropriate interference
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    hard to quote you, but what exactly is the definition of "interference" here? I had thought it would be some proximate cause, not just public statements.

    In other words.. the Union can say why unions would be beneficial, and the gov't that also has a stake can state why it would not?

    Obviously lacking any clues about unionization, but since you were already onto this idea .. thought you could flesh it out?
    If the union won, could the company appeal citing Democrats supporting the union be a valid reason?

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the governor's words indicated that the employees who voted for a union would suffer because the SUV would be built in mexico instead of tennessee
    but if they voted against the union the employees would build another line, giving them more job security

    that would constitute the inappropriate interference
    Democratic officials were promising this would benefit the employees, the company and the state. CLEARLY outrageous "inappropriate interference" favoring the union. Under your theory, no vote on unions would ever be anything but reversible.

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    Re: UAW Appeals Volkswagen Workers' Rejection in Tenn

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the union won, could the company appeal citing Democrats supporting the union be a valid reason?
    had the union prevailed the company could have appealed citing whatever it thought might cause a second vote to result
    but given the comments of VW since the failed vote, it seems they would not have found a vote for the union something they wanted to un-do
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