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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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I could never live in a state where the leaders are dumbass's...

Dumbass's what?
 
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GOP National figures like Mr. Romney and Senators McCain and Flake are to be commended for publicly speaking against this AZ bill.
Gov. Brewer is wise to take the entire week, meeting tomorrow with three legislators who voted for the bill but now write to her asking for a veto.
I'll hope for this to continue with Nugent's remarks again today, comparing Obama to Nazis, brownshirts, and jack-booted thugs .
 
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I dont know if this fits, coming in the middle of the conversation, but a business owner signs a business contract with the state.

And again, to do so based on religious beliefs is very hypocritical since that sin is judged no differently in the Bible and businesses make no effort to request permission to deny fornicators, prostitutes, or adulterers.

Most (all) of the cases I have seen so far involved providing services to celebrate a wedding. To many people, a wedding is sacred. Given there are plenty of other providers, there is plenty of room to accommodate religious beliefs. Otherwise it is just being petty and vindictive.
 
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Arizona DEMs and GOPs lament the toll on their economy from this bill already.
Stats were quoted today showing increased cancellations at Grand Canyon, with a decreased # of visitors.
While GOP Business leaders could be more concerned about losing the Super Bowl than GLBT rights, they are scared .
 
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Most (all) of the cases I have seen so far involved providing services to celebrate a wedding. To many people, a wedding is sacred. Given there are plenty of other providers, there is plenty of room to accommodate religious beliefs. Otherwise it is just being petty and vindictive.

I'd have to say that for such a special occasion, I certainly would not want to take my business to someone who would treat it like crap.
 
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Arizona DEMs and GOPs lament the toll on their economy from this bill already.
Stats were quoted today showing increased cancellations at Grand Canyon, with a decreased # of visitors.
While GOP Business leaders could be more concerned about losing the Super Bowl than GLBT rights, they are scared .

They said on the news here that there is already precedent with the NFL...that they moved the Superbowl from AZ to Pasadena in '93 because AZ refused to recognize MLK Day as a federal holiday.
 
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I'd have to say that for such a special occasion, I certainly would not want to take my business to someone who would treat it like crap.

Exactly. It's like being nasty to someone who is going to serve you food.......:2sick1:
 
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I'm not suggesting anyone be subservient to anyone. If the service provider is a jerk move on if the customer is a jerk just refuse service because. Don't open yourself to have to deal with the fruitloops insecurities.
I find it interesting that you feel that being a business owner or in customer service as so subservient. Is it only to gays? Or to all patrons?
 
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Indeed, but the question is why is she waiting so long to do so? It would seem wise to send a resounding "NO" that can be heard nationally.

Arizona honestly has a problem with a small group of very narrow-minded legislators working in concert or on behalf of powerful religiously affiliated lobbying groups. There is no question this most recent brain fartery has already cost the state (taxpayers) money in lost revenue.

Look beyond the immediate issue if you are thinking of expanding your business or moving your business to Arizona. The legislature here is pretty hosed up. There really is no guarantee that the morons who control the legislature aren't going to do similar things in the future. In fact they have some bone head things in the works according to the newspaper.

Yes, Brewer will veto the bill. Not quickly enough, it seems. But beyond that is more uncertainty and there is a recent history of really idiotic extremism in the state legislature. Would you bet your business future on the stability of Arizona State Government and move it or expand it here only to have the state mandate some other kind of crackpot social engineering law(s) that would hamper you from attracting talented workers from out of state? What if you moved your business here only to have the state legislature pass more of this kind of garbage and have Arizona businesses boycotted in protest as happened as a result of SB1070 the anti-imigration law?

What the current bill is doing is reinforcing valid concerns about the stability of Arizona's business environment. Those concerns will not go away when the governor vetoes the bill.

Now she can't veto it fast enough for you. Always finding something wrong. Hope you do the same for Obama.
 
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Now she can't veto it fast enough for you. Always finding something wrong. Hope you do the same for Obama.

With our Tea Bagger led legislature there is plenty to find wrong. Nothing wrong with conservatism, but I'm not certain that is what these people want.

I never doubted the bill would cause a major uproar once it passed. I didn't support it. I did expect that Brewer would rise to the occasion and veto that sucker post haste. She's playing politics with it and we will probably find out why at some later date.

I never voted for Obama.

See that is a problem when one becomes an Independent. Partisans from both sides attempt to label you as being from the other side when they disagree. I am completely opposed to lobbyists crafting bills and buying government officials from either side of the isle or in between. I completely support separation of church and state, that means any and all forms of religion, including the religious affiliated lobbying.

What you have here is all of the above and more. I'll oppose it every time. Wrong is wrong. When Republicans do it, when Democrats do it, when Libertarians do it. When whomever does it, I'll oppose it. When Obama does it, whenever it happens I will oppose it. Wrong is wrong. THAT is often difficult, often difficult, for partisans to understand.
 
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you're right its not just an anti-gay bill its an anti individual rights bill

Which individual right does it violate?
 
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Which individual right does it violate?

civil rights, equal rights, human rights, this is why it will be vetoed and IMO if they get enough bigots to pass it anywhere it will go to court and be struck down
 
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civil rights, equal rights, human rights, this is why it will be vetoed and IMO if they get enough bigots to pass it anywhere it will go to court and be struck down

Which rights specifically?
The right to life? The right to free speech? The right to a fair trial? Which specific right?
 
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I certainly would not want to take my business to someone who would treat it like crap.
Thats just the free market at work.

There is a bigger issue than someone being rude to you. If you are a public place there is certain rules you must follow and other rules you can make up just for your business. Everyone must wear shoes and shirts to enter your business is an example of the individual business making rules specific to their business. Most will never have a problem with these type of rules for a private business.

Where the line is crossed is that you refuse service based on race, color, religion and now most people think sexual orientation. You have a right to think being gay is an affront to god and they will burn in hell or whatever your religious beliefs are. But, thats your personal opinion. You operate a public business your religious beliefs can't determine who can and who can't buy your products.

As soon as that idea would be held up in court we would have shops and bars putting up whites only signs based on religious reasons. Is that really the direction we want the country to take?
 
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Which rights specifically?
The right to life? The right to free speech? The right to a fair trial? Which specific right?
civil rights, equal rights, human rights,
all the ones that refer to liberty, equal treatment and against illegal discrimination, take your pick. If you think im going to go through them all you are sadly mistaken lol

if you have an argument simply state it :)
 
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civil rights, equal rights, human rights,
all the ones that refer to liberty, equal treatment and against illegal discrimination, take your pick. If you think im going to go through them all you are sadly mistaken lol

if you have an argument simply state it :)

So you have a right to service by private individuals? You have a right to someone elses labor? Someone elses property?
 
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1.)So you have a right to service by private individuals?
2.)You have a right to someone elses labor?
3.) Someone elses property?

1.) nope
2.) nope
3.) nope

i "personally" dont believe in any of that and luckily for me nor does the law or the rights of americans :shrug:
 
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1.) nope
2.) nope
3.) nope

i "personally" dont believe in any of that and luckily for me nor does the law or the rights of americans :shrug:

Nope, you do.
 
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So you have a right to service by private individuals? You have a right to someone elses labor? Someone elses property?
Thats not what they are saying and you know it. Your just being dramatic. No one is in favor of another taking property or anything else of value from another individual.............or at least not go to jail also.
 
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Thats not what they are saying and you know it. Your just being dramatic. No one is in favor of another taking property or anything else of value from another individual.............or at least not go to jail also.

shhhhhh

dont post facts like these they will just be dishonestly ignored
 
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1.) nope
2.) nope
3.) nope

i "personally" dont believe in any of that and luckily for me nor does the law or the rights of americans :shrug:

So then where is the violation of someones rights by refusing to let them in your restaraunt? Or refusing to sell them a burger and fries? Or refuse to wash their car? How does any of that violate someones rights?
 
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1.)So then where is the violation of someones rights by refusing to let them in your restaraunt?
2.) Or refusing to sell them a burger and fries?
3.) Or refuse to wash their car?
4.) How does any of that violate someones rights?

1.) there isnt
2.) there isnt
3.) there isnt
4.) it factually doesnt :shrug:

seems you are severely confused
 
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1.) there isnt
2.) there isnt
3.) there isnt
4.) it factually doesnt :shrug:

seems you are severely confused

Then whats the problem with this law?
 
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