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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    It figures that MSNBC would characterize them as "anti-gay" bills to pander toward the uneducated section of the left.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It figures that MSNBC would characterize them as "anti-gay" bills to pander toward the uneducated section of the left.
    You are right, the proper billing should have reflected what these laws really are bigotry by the ignorant section on the right.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You are right, the proper billing should have reflected what these laws really are bigotry by the ignorant section on the right.
    If you want to call the religious right "bigots", that's fine. Just don't call it "anti-gay".

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If you want to call the religious right "bigots", that's fine.
    Not all of them, but deservedly a select bunch.

    Just don't call it "anti-gay".
    The laws of the the select bunch?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Aren't there whole separate forums for rewriting the history of liberals, marxists, nationalist and internationalists.
    Stop and think about what your argument does to win people over to supporting the anti-gay bill.
    I'll repost so you can read a sensible Sen. Hatch discussing both sides of an emotional issue if you like.
    State's rights vs. Discrimination .
    Now you've done it! Calling Hatch sensible. Not even the right wing thinks that about him.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It would appear that you're confusing Holder with the SCOTUS .
    Oh no, I'm well aware of the SCOTUS perchant for the federal uber alles. Holder is just one of the worst Atty Gens we've had in my lifetime, and that's saying a bunch because it's been a pretty grim lot.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You are right, the proper billing should have reflected what these laws really are bigotry by the ignorant section on the right.
    There is ample evidence of by ignorant sections of the left also, but it doesn't get to the issue of rights, which is what this is. Whose 'rights' trump whose?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is ample evidence of by ignorant sections of the left also
    I am sure there is, would you like to start a thread on that? Nobody has a monopoly on stupid, but somehow bigotry tends to flow more from the right lately.

    but it doesn't get to the issue of rights, which is what this is. Whose 'rights' trump whose?
    Nobody's rights trump other's rights, but you can not have or defend anyone's rights while violating the rights of others.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    How is that possible? If the proposed law is specifically to discriminate but you do not support discrimination? At best that is double talk. 'I was against it before I was for it' style.
    No, the purpose of the law is to allow people to practice their rights...well...somewhat. Not having laws against private discrimination doesn't endorse or condone the behavior, just doesn't act on it.

    One can not have rights at the expense of another.
    There is no rights in play here for those being discriminated against. They don't have the right to use someones property, labor or service against someone elses will, nor do they have the right to force anyone to associate with them or make an agreement with them. They have no rights in play here.

    More double talk. The difference with abortion is that I really do not care about abortion per see, I just do not want you or the government to have the power to stop it. Now, I know you will say it is the same for you but then you support a law that does exactly that.
    What I support is government having no say on these matters.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Nobody's rights trump other's rights, but you can not have or defend anyone's rights while violating the rights of others.
    Which goes back to the initial premise - YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ANOTHER'S PROPERTY.

    Refusal to enter into commerce/trade violates NOBODY'S right. Period. End of story.

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