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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    It would appear that you're confusing Holder with the SCOTUS .
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    Who was talking homosexual marriage? Holder has no problem with trampling state's rights as it is. And if you don't see why states would see the need for preemptive legislation then it is you who is woefully uninformed.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It was the impetus for the Arizona SB1062. It's all there if you bother to do a bit of research and reading. A photographer or wedding cake baker in New Mexico was asked by a same sex couple to provide photography or a cake, I forget which, for a wedding and was shocked and offended. The photographer or wedding cake baker refused because the bible apparently says that gay marriage is a sin. The bible also says gluttony is a sin but somehow there's no record of photographers or wedding cake bakers being offended and shocked by fat people.

    While there is no record of this being a problem at all in Arizona the Arizona legislature (no doubt with wads of walking around money and campaign contributions provided by lobbyists) decided they'd better jump on this like ugly on an ape and solve the problem that doesn't exist based on the one incident in New Mexico. The bill wasn't written by normal everyday good and worthy Christians, it was written by a nutcase Christian lobbying group with undisclosed financial sources.

    Don't ask for sources. Do your own research.
    You did not post anything I did not already know.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You did not post anything I did not already know.
    Excellent! Then you DO know why New Mexico has been repeatedly referenced regarding AZ SB1062. You kept asking how the New Mexico incident had anything to do with a loophole in the Arizona law. No official that I am aware of has ever said that. I assumed that you didn't know.










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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Excellent! Then you DO know why New Mexico has been repeatedly referenced regarding AZ SB1062. You kept asking how the New Mexico incident had anything to do with a loophole in the Arizona law. No official that I am aware of has ever said that. I assumed that you didn't know.
    There is no loophole in Arizona law. It does not have an anti discrimination law that names sexual orientation as a protected class like New Mexico does. They are just pretending there is one to push through a law that would allow people to use their religion to discriminate against anyone they do not like.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There is no loophole in Arizona law. It does not have an anti discrimination law that names sexual orientation as a protected class like New Mexico does. They are just pretending there is one to push through a law that would allow people to use their religion to discriminate against anyone they do not like.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Aren't there whole separate forums for rewriting the history of liberals, marxists, nationalist and internationalists.
    Stop and think about what your argument does to win people over to supporting the anti-gay bill.
    I'll repost so you can read a sensible Sen. Hatch discussing both sides of an emotional issue if you like.
    State's rights vs. Discrimination .
    Have I even took a stand on this Az. bill ? I don't think so.

    I started another thread last night that is related to the Az. bill. It was a Pat Buchanan's column. First thing you see with the responses was attacking the messenger instead of the message. Seems to be SOP with way to many on the DP.

    I posted the thread without a single word of comment and I'm attacked as if I was siding with Buchana. I never even took a stand on the issue. Frickin unbelievable.

    The reason I posted the column was to see if anyone picked up on that when older people are telling younger people about the freedoms they once have but no longer have, history has shown that a country is in trouble and it may already be too late.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, being against anti-discrimination laws doesn't automatically mean someone supports discrimination.
    How is that possible? If the proposed law is specifically to discriminate but you do not support discrimination? At best that is double talk. 'I was against it before I was for it' style.

    My argument is based on the rights of the people that operate the business, not the endorsement of discriminatory practices.
    One can not have rights at the expense of another.

    Supporting something being legal, be that abortion or discrimination by private individuals, does not mean that you support the act itself, but that you are against making it illegal.
    More double talk. The difference with abortion is that I really do not care about abortion per see, I just do not want you or the government to have the power to stop it. Now, I know you will say it is the same for you but then you support a law that does exactly that.

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