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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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Take away the super Bowl from Arizona. Oh wait, the NFL winks and nods at gay-bashing .
 
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Take away the super Bowl from Arizona. Oh wait, the NFL winks and nods at gay-bashing .

Got a linky for that?
 
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Promoting fairness has served as a legitimate basis for existing legislation. Just because equality makes your eyes burn when you see it does not mean that promoting its presence in our laws is purely an emotion plea. It's pragmatic.

Your idea of fairness is so warped that I don't even think explaining fairness to you would be effective no matter what was said.
 
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The reason this is not an adequate policy is that any business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
 
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First of all, unless you are a sociopath (which granted the official diagnosis has yet to come in) emotions are a part of life and of being human. You like to dismiss them as mush and pretend you don't have any, or that yours are somehow more legit, because your emotion of choice is anger and baseless insults. How does that play out for you in real life btw?

Promoting fairness has served as a legitimate basis for existing legislation. Just because equality makes your eyes burn when you see it does not mean that promoting its presence in our laws is purely an emotion plea. It's pragmatic.

Um...no. I just think that "fair" is a crappy way of writing legislature and running economy. It's subjective. What you think is "fair" is not going to be fair to someone else.

I would rather use rationality, science, and logic to predict and accept how things are, instead of forcing everyone to the oppression you personally think is best.
 
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Any reason for that sort of wording ?

Because I'm being a smartass.

Do you have a url for the claims you've made above so that I may check on the validity of them?
 
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When I first read this bill I thought it was off base.

When I first posted in this thread I mentioned that I thought it would open the door to too many shenanigans.

After reading through this thread I've changed my mind and I don't think it goes anywhere near far enough.
 
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Useless and short sighted posturing. Arizona is developing quite the reputation for these types of stunts unfortunately.
 
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Take away the super Bowl from Arizona. Oh wait, the NFL winks and nods at gay-bashing .

Oh no, it'd be far better to have a gay superbowl and hold it in Arizona if you really wanted to have impact. Heck, if the activists were as bright as they sometimes appear to be they'd be flooding the state with homo activities and events. The businesses would learn, the ones that served the gays prosper, the ones that don't, don't. A life lesson that goes beyond mere words.
 
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Um...no. I just think that "fair" is a crappy way of writing legislature and running economy. It's subjective. What you think is "fair" is not going to be fair to someone else.

I would rather use rationality, science, and logic to predict and accept how things are, instead of forcing everyone to the oppression you personally think is best.

So your choices are better?

This is all well and good from your perspective because it is highly unlikely, being a white male, that you ever have or ever will be subjected to discrimination.

Which behavior provides the greater benefit and what exactly is being discouraged. There are plenty of instances where we have laws that force people to behave in a civilized fashion and I find them necessary. In this instance if comes down to allowing a business owner to discriminate or not being allowed to discriminate it's an easy question to answer. If you fear your freedom to act on your bigotry and prejudice is being infringed on then yes it is and I applaud it. Just like I don't think you need to fire an oozy into a public park.

You seem to endorse business or people. That can get you into a lot of trouble.
 
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What is with the Far right and their burning desire to discriminate against people who don't think or act or look exactly the same way they do? Are they born with it, or do they develop that bigotry after years of training?

I have to wonder if they can pray away the bigotry?
 
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Ok. I have a bouncy ball. I decide i want to sell it. What gives you the right to decide who i sell it too?
 
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shouldn't let these dogs deny people equal rights at all they don't need to be left alone they need to be muzzled

Fine. So why try and redefine a cultural term that's been in existence since time memorial all for the appeasement of a mere 1% or 2% of the population? I'm perfectly fine with civil unions defined as equal in standing as traditional marriage before the law and the government. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, and leave that to the churches / people.

No, in order to appease that mere 1% or 2% of the population we have to destroy the institution of marriage as well as traditional religions. Doesn't seem right to me.
 
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Denying service isnt denying equal rights. Unkess you consider someones service a right. If thats the case, then democrats havent changed much since the civil war....
 
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The funny thing is that you guys claim to be the tolerant ones.

I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.
 
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Fine. So why try and redefine a cultural term that's been in existence since time memorial all for the appeasement of a mere 1% or 2% of the population? I'm perfectly fine with civil unions defined as equal in standing as traditional marriage before the law and the government. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, and leave that to the churches / people.

No, in order to appease that mere 1% or 2% of the population we have to destroy the institution of marriage as well as traditional religions. Doesn't seem right to me.


1.) theres no such thing as a civil union = to the legal marriage contract
2.) government has to be involved in marriage, otherwise who protects the rights of the contract
3.) religion/churches factually have nothing to do with legal marriage
4.the MAJORITY of the population supports equal rights not 1-2% but thats just a bonus, it doesn't matter since its a rights issues
5.) there will factually be no institution destroyed nor will traditional religion be destroyed, these are nonsensical strawmen that can be support by any facts what so ever.

if you disagree by all means i beg you, please, provide FACTUAL examples of how granting equal rights to gays will "destroy" the "institution of marriage" and "traditional religions".
While you're at it please tell us what the factual institution of marriage. Please try to stick with reality and not hyperbolic failed strawmen thank you
 
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I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.

Did you notice how no one made that claim? Did you notice how that isn't at all important here?
 
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I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.

It isn't just "right wing extremists" who have tolerance issues. In fact, from my own experiences as a white male I've been subject to discrimination by folks on the left and the right based solely upon appearance.
 
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2.) government has to be involved in marriage, otherwise who protects the rights of the contract

Government enforcing contracts extends to everything people have a contract towards. When people are arguing government should get out of the marriage business they are not referring to enforcement of private contracts. That much should be obvious.
 
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Government enforcing contracts extends to everything people have a contract towards. When people are arguing government should get out of the marriage business they are not referring to enforcement of private contracts. That much should be obvious.

thanks for that meaningless post that factually has no impact on anything i said lol:shrug:
 
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thanks for that meaningless post that has no impact on anything i said :shrug:

Except that it does have an impact on what you said, but believe whatever you want. I don't feel the need to say anything else on the matter.
 
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1.)Except that it does have an impact on what you said, but believe whatever you want.
2.)I don't feel the need to say anything else on the matter.

1.)thanks again for another post that factually has no impact on what i said lol :shrug:
2.) good move because the outcome will remain the same. Your posts will have no impact on the facts.
 
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thanks for that meaningless post that factually has no impact on anything i said lol:shrug:

Hes saying that there can be enforcement of contracts without the government getting into the marriage business.

Basically, your marriage is none of the governments business, but the government will still enforce your contracts for property, etc.
 
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