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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Why does the reason someone doesnt want to do business with another person matter? Its still their property, still their busness and still their labor. If they dont want to include someone in that, why should they be forced to?
    You're confused. They are allowed to refuse service to anybody they want, unless it is solely due to a person's race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. The reason that matters is because the lack of such laws was an integral part of the systematic discrimination of black Americans (among other now-protected classes of Americans). It happened to my Jewish ancestors, so I understand what happens when you don't have such laws. One of my ancestors died because he was Jewish, or if you want to be technical, his life would have been saved by the doctor had he not been Jewish.

    That's kind of a big deal, actually. You don't really have any idea what you're actually endorsing.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Lets try a simpler angle. If i have a house party and my gay neighbor asks to come and i tell him no, but let everyone else in, should i be prosecuted?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    The right to not be discriminated against due to your race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.
    Too broad, and furthermore, those can not be rights since they call for the violation towards the rights of property, labor, service, association, contract, and practice of ones religion. That is unless you can prove you have a right to use property that is not your own, the labor and service of others against their will, to associate with someone against their will, to have an agreement with someone against their will, and that the practicing of their religion violates your rights. Good luck doing that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Hate speech is now banned in the NFL.

    The consequences of losing another Super Bowl has billions of dollars of negative ramifications on a state,
    so I would not like to see Arizona citizens hurt this way.

    The half-life for these legislators is decreasing each new day .
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    So should hate speech be banned?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You may want to read this before spreading any more of your 'butthurt homosexual' horse maneur.
    GOP on Arizona gay law: Make it go away - James Hohmann and Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com
    When a Senator as conservative as John Thune from SD weighs in against you, it's all over till the governor sings .
    Oh c'mon, you can read. I've aready agreed several times that Brewer will veto it. The rest is just plain stupid. Who cares what Thune thinks about, well, anything.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) so lets ignore facts, got it
    2.) not always and not in all states, counties and municipalities
    3.) theres no rights violated by simply not serving gays
    4.) this statement is factually wrong in some cases sorry you are confused
    5.) in addition to other things
    Again, it used to be illegal for black people to read. What are you claiming that there are no bad laws today?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    You're confused. They are allowed to refuse service to anybody they want, unless it is solely due to a person's race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. The reason that matters is because the lack of such laws was an integral part of the systematic discrimination of black Americans (among other now-protected classes of Americans). It happened to my Jewish ancestors, so I understand what happens when you don't have such laws. One of my ancestors died because he was Jewish, or if you want to be technical, his life would have been saved by the doctor had he not been Jewish.

    That's kind of a big deal, actually. You don't really have any idea what you're actually endorsing.
    yeah? Private businesses did refuse to serve blacks. And blacks opened their own businesses amd created their own stock market.
    I have no problem with that.

    I do however have a problem with government discriminating against blacks. The government is a public servant. Private individuals are not... at least not until they go work for the government.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Lets try a simpler angle. If i have a house party and my gay neighbor asks to come and i tell him no, but let everyone else in, should i be prosecuted?
    Obviously not since no one has a right to go to your house party or to use your property. Anyway, get ready for the business is public argument. There is few things that are dumber than saying private property is public. lol. If they don't do that they will just alert you of the fact that your house is not a public business, which of course leads to the former argument.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    I think homophobia is for ignoramuses of the first magnitude.


    But, I believe that private business owners should be able to not serve anyone they want, for any reason they want.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think homophobia is for ignoramuses of the first magnitude.
    No one can prove the existence of homophobia.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Did this already get posted? Hilarious.

    You know you're an idiot when Anderson Cooper owns you.

    This is pathetic on so many levels. And yet even more so when you consider that people actually voted for this guy. AZ is teeming with these type of right wing nut jobs.

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