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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The law doesn't already exist. You were making a claim that businesses would be required to, for example, write "**** all Christians" on a cake. I simply pointed out that no.....the law would NOT require a business owner to print or write such a statement....it would only disallow the business from selling the cake.
    Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps you should read the law, and the proposed law. Even better, read the LA Times article on the subject. I'm sure you can find it.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Keep in mind, this was wallmart. A customer saw the sign and just went to another register as if she were under 18 and unable to sell those things anyway. they still spent their money.

    Likewise a gay person can just find another cake shop instead of suing them out of business.
    The problem doesn't exist. Arizona doesn't need a solution.










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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Nimby

    I think there is more behind this legislation than just a minority being outraged that they can't force the majority or any individual to accept buggery.

    I guess it calls for a new thread. Don't know exactly where in what forum I will put it. But it's just an opinion column and it has more than just one message. When the elders are telling their children or grand children about the personal freedoms they once had and no longer have, it may be too late.
    It has been clearly pointed out that this law specifically does away with GLBT rights
    in the three cities where they currently exist, Phoenix--Flagstaff--Tucson.
    These rights do not exist anywhere else in AZ.

    As well, the law is written broadly as to circumvent Romer v. Evans.
    It would allow a Muslim cabbie to not pick YOU up if you've been drinking, as an example.

    Gov. Brewer is aware of the damage to her state's economy ALREADY, with cancellations and decreased visitation at the Grand Canyon.
    The Super Bowl is riding on her decision, as it did in 1993 when AZ lost the Super Bowl due to not having a MLK Jr. day .
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Absolutely correct, I do disagree with the law. I don't think that special privileges should be afforded to people spouting the magic words "sincerely held religious beliefs" so they can choose to discriminate against people based on race, or religion, or sex, or sexual orientation, or etc... If an individual wants to discriminate, they shouldn't hide behind the Bible to do it.

    Public Accommodation laws should be repealed in general. Repeal being the only option since the regulation of commerce is a function of government as specified in the Constitution (interstate) at the federal level and inherent in the power of the State (10th Amendment).



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    You might want to refamiliarize yourself with the 10th. Not to mention SCOTUS consistently uses the commerce clause to broader effect than is sane. In any event, sexual orientation does not make up a protected class. Nor should it. The first trumps every amendment that comes after, again generally held by SCOTUS unless it convenient for them to forget about it.

    There is no hiding, people have religion, a lot of people do. People also own property and businesses. I disagree with you strongly. Folks should not be compelled, in this day and age, to serve anyone they don't wish to.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It has been clearly pointed out that this law specifically does away with GLBT rights
    in the three cities where they currently exist, Phoenix--Flagstaff--Tucson.
    These rights do not exist anywhere else in AZ.

    As well, the law is written broadly as to circumvent Romer v. Evans.
    It would allow a Muslim cabbie to not pick YOU up if you've been drinking, as an example.

    Gov. Brewer is aware of the damage to her state's economy ALREADY, with cancellations and decreased visitation at the Grand Canyon.
    The Super Bowl is riding on her decision, as it did in 1993 when AZ lost the Super Bowl due to not having a MLK Jr. day .
    There is no such thing as "GLBT rights" and as has already been shown the cabbie example is a bust. As for the last, total bull****, there have been no boycotts of the Grand Canyon and anything Arizona loses from a few butthurt homosexuals they gain and more from the majority of folks who go there anyway.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Did this already get posted? Hilarious.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    lets just predict the future now

    this bill will be vetoed, if it does happen to gain traction anywhere it will be temporary and even if passed it will eventually be removed when pushed to the higher courts

    its panic and fear from some bigots and or people who support discrimination nothing more
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Let me get this straight .. you dont have a right to someone elses private business, yet refusing to do private business with someone somehow violates their rights? Which rights?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    You may want to read this before spreading any more of your 'butthurt homosexual' horse maneur.
    GOP on Arizona gay law: Make it go away - James Hohmann and Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com
    When a Senator as conservative as John Thune from SD weighs in against you, it's all over till the governor sings .
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is no such thing as "GLBT rights" and as has already been shown the cabbie example is a bust. As for the last, total bull****, there have been no boycotts of the Grand Canyon and anything Arizona loses from a few butthurt homosexuals they gain and more from the majority of folks who go there anyway.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It has been clearly pointed out that this law specifically does away with GLBT rights
    in the three cities where they currently exist, Phoenix--Flagstaff--Tucson.
    These rights do not exist anywhere else in AZ.

    As well, the law is written broadly as to circumvent Romer v. Evans.
    It would allow a Muslim cabbie to not pick YOU up if you've been drinking, as an example.

    Gov. Brewer is aware of the damage to her state's economy ALREADY, with cancellations and decreased visitation at the Grand Canyon.
    The Super Bowl is riding on her decision, as it did in 1993 when AZ lost the Super Bowl due to not having a MLK Jr. day .
    And yet she dawdles. Each day not only causes more unneeded attention to the state but costs perhaps millions in revenue, current and future. It is ultimately the citizens who are paying and will pay for this latest bit Tea Bag insanity in Arizona.

    As I said earlier, you'd have to think twice before moving or expanding a business to Arizona. Just because this law will be vetoed, and it will, doesn't mean the clowns in the Arizona state legislature won't attempt to pass more ridiculous laws. There is no guarantee that the insanity will cease. If you are about to spend millions and millions to move or expand business to Arizona you want a stable business environment. Given the state's recent history that isn't a safe bet.

    Imagine the decision to move your corporation from another state to Arizona. You are going to spend millions doing it and you are going to need to bring a hell of a lot of your current employees with you. Arizona is shaky ground for families with school age children because Arizona doesn't spend money on public education. If some of your workers are Hispanic there is the recent memory of Arizona's anti-immigration laws; Joe Arpaio's racial profiling; and other laws that discriminate against ethnic groups. Now you have the recent bill that "protects" religious groups from non-existing threats and potentially gives businesses the right to refuse service on the basis of religion, race, disability and sexual preference. Now try and sell that environment to all the families you want to move to your new HQ in Arizona. Tell them that all those days are over and they don't have to worry. Tell them that Arizona businesses won't be boycotted nationally because of dumbassery in the state legislature and therefore you can promise that there won't be any unforeseen business downturns which may result in a reduction of work force.

    That and situations like it are part of the impact that the proposed bill is having. Brewer's dawdling underlines reasons for concern.










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