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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

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    Because it is in the bible, and if you don't, you are a sinner.
    I'm not understanding why you're so hostile to Christians and why you are similarly hostile to human rights.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm not understanding why you're so hostile to Christians and why you are similarly hostile to human rights.
    Just holding you to your beliefs. Are you not following them? Then you are a sinner, and not allowed in my establishment.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Just holding you to your beliefs. Are you not following them? Then you are a sinner, and not allowed in my establishment.
    I'm not a Christian so, no, you're not holding me to my beliefs. Secondly, if I was a Christian, I never appointed you to hold me to my beliefs. Do I come around to your house and insure that your sex life proceeds according to what I once overheard you say in a cafeteria line?

    As for not being allowed in your establishment, I thought you were advocating that people be denied the freedom to make such choices, so how come you get to exercise your human rights while you advocate that other people be denied the freedom to exercise the same human rights?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm not a Christian so, no, you're not holding me to my beliefs. Secondly, if I was a Christian, I never appointed you to hold me to my beliefs. Do I come around to your house and insure that your sex life proceeds according to what I once overheard you say in a cafeteria line?

    As for not being allowed in your establishment, I thought you were advocating that people be denied the freedom to make such choices, so how come you get to exercise your human rights while you advocate that other people be denied the freedom to exercise the same human rights?

    That is why this bill is baloney. Companies are not people, you can't discriminate on the basis of religion. If you can't see that, I feel bad for you.

    This is America, not a theocracy.

    BTW, I am an atheist, so I can be legally discriminated against by these "loving" christians.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It can mean many things.

    For instance, male gynecologists are getting hammered in the marketplace by having women sexually discriminate against them and choosing female gynecologists instead. No one is forcing women to stop sexually discriminating. Can you imagine the uproar if laws were enforced which stopped women from sexually discriminating in this manner.
    You are an interesting poster. I don't know if you really believe the position you take or you are just a law student.

    Sometimes I think we draw the line on issues based on a social contract of sorts, a shared understanding. We all understand that if a woman doesn't want to be naked in front of a man she has every right to make that call. So if she prefers a female gyno she isn't discriminating she is respecting her right to decide who she is naked in front of. Your perspective however is based on the assumption that such a decision is rooted in a fundamental belief that males are inferior as gynecologists because they are male as opposed to being rooted in a womans decision to chose who she is naked in front of.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    That is why this bill is baloney.
    That's why? Why? You never stated a why. How am I supposed to know why when you didn't write it out and explain it? Writing "This is why" is no help in terms of explanation.

    Companies are not people, you can't discriminate on the basis of religion.
    Companies most certainly can be people. There are proprietorships and partnerships, which are people. The law says we can't discriminate on the basis of religion and people are working to overturn this draconian infringement on human rights.

    If you can't see that, I feel bad for you.
    Thank you. You make me feel loved and cared for. It's nice of you to feel badly for me.

    This is America, not a theocracy.
    Tell me about it. This is supposed to the land of freedom and instead we all get the Religion of Liberalism firehosed down our throats.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    That's why? Why? You never stated a why. How am I supposed to know why when you didn't write it out and explain it. Writing "This is why" is no help in terms of explanation.



    Companies most certainly can be people. There are proprietorships and partnerships, which are people. The law says we can't discriminate on the basis of religion and people are working to overturn this draconian infringement on human rights.



    Thank you. You make me feel loved and cared for. It's nice of you to feel badly for me.



    Tell me about it. This is supposed to the land of freedom and instead we all get the Religion of Liberalism firehosed down our throats.
    Religion of liberalism? Oh my, the hyperbole machine is full on.

    This has nothing to do with liberal/conservative. Turn off your talk radio and think for once. This is a bill that allows discrimination. It is the typical ALEC playbook, and if you don't think that it can discriminate against you, you are sorely misinformed.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    We all understand that if a woman doesn't want to be naked in front of a man she has every right to make that call.
    So now there are some excuses which permit sexual discrimination? Only if we all understand why a woman chooses to sexually discriminate, but how about if we don't reach unanimity? Now what?

    Isn't it clear to everyone by now that some people don't want to do business with homosexuals? That understanding should be as widespread as the understanding that some women don't want to be examined by male physicians.

    So if she prefers a female gyno she isn't discriminating she is respecting her right to decide who she is naked in front of.
    Wait - she has a right? Don't we all have a right to associate with people of our own choosing? Why doesn't a baker have a right to not have an association he doesn't want forced upon him?

    Your perspective however is based on the assumption that such a decision is rooted in a fundamental belief that males are inferior as gynecologists because they are male as opposed to being rooted in a womans decision to chose who she is naked in front of.
    My position is not based on any such assumption. My position is that the woman doesn't have to have any reason and she doesn't have to explain herself to me, or anyone else. But everyone else, including all businesses, have that very same right.

    If a girl doesn't want to date a boy-nerd, then she can discriminate against him by refusing to date him, talk to him, look at him. Freedom of association is a fundamental human right. To force people into associations is a horrendous evil.

    If a homosexual is offended by being refused service, the remedy here should not be to violate the human rights of a baker in order to make a homosexual feel good about himself. Feeling good about oneself is not a human right. Freedom of association, on the other hand, is a human right. So back to the woman - it would be a violation of her human rights to force her to see a male physician when she chooses to sexually discriminate against male physicians in favor of female physicians. Discrimination is the handmaiden of freedom of choice. You're pro-choice, aren't you?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Religion of liberalism?
    You're forcing me to submit to your ideas. Religion, as a category, is simply a set of ideas about God and the afterlife. Being forced to submit to ideas is a bad thing.

    It is the typical ALEC playbook, and if you don't think that it can discriminate against you, you are sorely misinformed.
    I'm discriminated against all the damn time. This is like freedom of speech - you don't have to approve of a person's speech in order to defend their right to exercise that freedom.

    If the price of freedom involves more discrimination falling onto me and inconveniencing me, then I'm willing to take any added discrimination people want to shove onto me.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You're forcing me to submit to your ideas. Religion, as a category, is simply a set of ideas about God and the afterlife. Being forced to submit to ideas is a bad thing.



    I'm discriminated against all the damn time. This is like freedom of speech - you don't have to approve of a person's speech in order to defend their right to exercise that freedom.

    If the price of freedom involves more discrimination falling onto me and inconveniencing me, then I'm willing to take any added discrimination people want to shove onto me.
    No, you are just making up the usual blather from someone with no argument.

    You are not discriminated against, trust me, you aren't

    But, oddly you crave the right to discriminate against others.

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