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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The vast majority of folks in Arizona are ready to exile this Legislature to behind the Orange Curtain.

    It is wise for Gov. Brewer to hold her own party responsible,
    by meeting with the three GOP legislators tomorrow who have recanted support for the Bill .
    Hey Nimby

    I think there is more behind this legislation than just a minority being outraged that they can't force the majority or any individual to accept buggery.

    I guess it calls for a new thread. Don't know exactly where in what forum I will put it. But it's just an opinion column and it has more than just one message. When the elders are telling their children or grand children about the personal freedoms they once had and no longer have, it may be too late.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    OK. Interesting. I'm pretty sure the chain's management wouldnt sign off on that tho...damages the bottom line...she's not even getting someone else to serve them...she's walking away and they dont spend their $$.

    So it was a band-aid, a 'turning the head away.' I'm not discrediting you or her, but it is almost a classic example of trying to ignore bigotry rather than confront it.
    Keep in mind, this was wallmart. A customer saw the sign and just went to another register as if she were under 18 and unable to sell those things anyway. they still spent their money.

    Likewise a gay person can just find another cake shop instead of suing them out of business.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Nimby

    I think there is more behind this legislation than just a minority being outraged that they can't force the majority or any individual to accept buggery.

    I guess it calls for a new thread. Don't know exactly where in what forum I will put it. But it's just an opinion column and it has more than just one message. When the elders are telling their children or grand children about the personal freedoms they once had and no longer have, it may be too late.
    When a business serves a fornicator or adulterer, are they accepting that? Are they accepting full body tatoos? Body piercings? Nickleback T-shirts? When they serve a celibate person, are they forced to accept celibacy? When I legally carry my 9mm into a shop...are they forced to accept guns?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    even Mitt Romney tweeted for her to veto the bill lol
    he has joined many republicans against this insane bill that would even if passed would eventually get destroyed by the courts and rightfully so
    ..."even Mitt Romney"... who's another liberal and would have don everything Obama has don only he would have gotten national healthcare right.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    When a business serves a fornicator or adulterer, are they accepting that? Are they accepting full body tatoos? Body piercings? Nickleback T-shirts? When they serve a celibate person, are they forced to accept celibacy? When I legally carry my 9mm into a shop...are they forced to accept guns?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...post1062970890

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Businesses still have the right to refuse to print certain messages on cakes. What they are not free to do is discriminate who gets to buy the cake. The law would still protect a business that didn't want to write "**** all Jews" on a cake.
    Ok. So? If the law already exists, why all the threats and outrage?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Because of our long and storied history of kicking homosexuals out of businesses. Hell, it's in the papers and on the TV every day. As soon as Arizonans found out they could kick gays out of their stores there have been starving homosexuals all over the state because nobody will allow them to buy food.
    /s

    That's really the kicker here. This bill is pretty much a solution to a non-existent problem and the likely outcome is crusaders from both sides using it as a soap box.....like is happening now.
    Based on what I have read, you are exactly right. Once again, the powers that be have directed the lemmings to get crazy, even though they are completely clueless about the issue.

    I believe this PC crap is heading for a real day of reckoning.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Keep in mind, this was wallmart. A customer saw the sign and just went to another register as if she were under 18 and unable to sell those things anyway. they still spent their money.

    Likewise a gay person can just find another cake shop instead of suing them out of business.
    Nobody has been sued out of business to my knowledge. One cake shop in a state that grants protected status to gays had a shop owner sued for denial of service to a same sex couple and the business owner lost so much business out of the deal that they had to close up shop. That ONE case and a similar one with a wedding photographer in a state that grants protected status to gays is the basis for this HUGE politically motivated push in a half dozen states which provide no anti discrimination measures for gays to allow sweeping discrimination on the basis of religious views. The law of unintended consequences has gone out the window on this one and the reaction to a couple out of state cases in states with anti discrimination measures would be funny if it were not so pathetic.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Based on what I have read, you are exactly right. Once again, the powers that be have directed the lemmings to get crazy, even though they are completely clueless about the issue.

    I believe this PC crap is heading for a real day of reckoning.
    But think of the thousands of cake shop owners and wedding photographers in Arizona who have been forced against their sincerely held religious convictions to provide services to the sodomites or they were sued into oblivion. This is a big problem in that state.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Ok. So? If the law already exists, why all the threats and outrage?
    The law doesn't already exist. You were making a claim that businesses would be required to, for example, write "**** all Christians" on a cake. I simply pointed out that no.....the law would NOT require a business owner to print or write such a statement....it would only disallow the business from selling the cake.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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