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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Arizona DEMs and GOPs lament the toll on their economy from this bill already.
    Stats were quoted today showing increased cancellations at Grand Canyon, with a decreased # of visitors.
    While GOP Business leaders could be more concerned about losing the Super Bowl than GLBT rights, they are scared .
    They said on the news here that there is already precedent with the NFL...that they moved the Superbowl from AZ to Pasadena in '93 because AZ refused to recognize MLK Day as a federal holiday.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'd have to say that for such a special occasion, I certainly would not want to take my business to someone who would treat it like crap.
    Exactly. It's like being nasty to someone who is going to serve you food.......
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    I'm not suggesting anyone be subservient to anyone. If the service provider is a jerk move on if the customer is a jerk just refuse service because. Don't open yourself to have to deal with the fruitloops insecurities.
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    I find it interesting that you feel that being a business owner or in customer service as so subservient. Is it only to gays? Or to all patrons?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Indeed, but the question is why is she waiting so long to do so? It would seem wise to send a resounding "NO" that can be heard nationally.

    Arizona honestly has a problem with a small group of very narrow-minded legislators working in concert or on behalf of powerful religiously affiliated lobbying groups. There is no question this most recent brain fartery has already cost the state (taxpayers) money in lost revenue.

    Look beyond the immediate issue if you are thinking of expanding your business or moving your business to Arizona. The legislature here is pretty hosed up. There really is no guarantee that the morons who control the legislature aren't going to do similar things in the future. In fact they have some bone head things in the works according to the newspaper.

    Yes, Brewer will veto the bill. Not quickly enough, it seems. But beyond that is more uncertainty and there is a recent history of really idiotic extremism in the state legislature. Would you bet your business future on the stability of Arizona State Government and move it or expand it here only to have the state mandate some other kind of crackpot social engineering law(s) that would hamper you from attracting talented workers from out of state? What if you moved your business here only to have the state legislature pass more of this kind of garbage and have Arizona businesses boycotted in protest as happened as a result of SB1070 the anti-imigration law?

    What the current bill is doing is reinforcing valid concerns about the stability of Arizona's business environment. Those concerns will not go away when the governor vetoes the bill.
    Now she can't veto it fast enough for you. Always finding something wrong. Hope you do the same for Obama.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Now she can't veto it fast enough for you. Always finding something wrong. Hope you do the same for Obama.
    With our Tea Bagger led legislature there is plenty to find wrong. Nothing wrong with conservatism, but I'm not certain that is what these people want.

    I never doubted the bill would cause a major uproar once it passed. I didn't support it. I did expect that Brewer would rise to the occasion and veto that sucker post haste. She's playing politics with it and we will probably find out why at some later date.

    I never voted for Obama.

    See that is a problem when one becomes an Independent. Partisans from both sides attempt to label you as being from the other side when they disagree. I am completely opposed to lobbyists crafting bills and buying government officials from either side of the isle or in between. I completely support separation of church and state, that means any and all forms of religion, including the religious affiliated lobbying.

    What you have here is all of the above and more. I'll oppose it every time. Wrong is wrong. When Republicans do it, when Democrats do it, when Libertarians do it. When whomever does it, I'll oppose it. When Obama does it, whenever it happens I will oppose it. Wrong is wrong. THAT is often difficult, often difficult, for partisans to understand.










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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you're right its not just an anti-gay bill its an anti individual rights bill
    Which individual right does it violate?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Which individual right does it violate?
    civil rights, equal rights, human rights, this is why it will be vetoed and IMO if they get enough bigots to pass it anywhere it will go to court and be struck down
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    civil rights, equal rights, human rights, this is why it will be vetoed and IMO if they get enough bigots to pass it anywhere it will go to court and be struck down
    Which rights specifically?
    The right to life? The right to free speech? The right to a fair trial? Which specific right?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I certainly would not want to take my business to someone who would treat it like crap.
    Thats just the free market at work.

    There is a bigger issue than someone being rude to you. If you are a public place there is certain rules you must follow and other rules you can make up just for your business. Everyone must wear shoes and shirts to enter your business is an example of the individual business making rules specific to their business. Most will never have a problem with these type of rules for a private business.

    Where the line is crossed is that you refuse service based on race, color, religion and now most people think sexual orientation. You have a right to think being gay is an affront to god and they will burn in hell or whatever your religious beliefs are. But, thats your personal opinion. You operate a public business your religious beliefs can't determine who can and who can't buy your products.

    As soon as that idea would be held up in court we would have shops and bars putting up whites only signs based on religious reasons. Is that really the direction we want the country to take?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Which rights specifically?
    The right to life? The right to free speech? The right to a fair trial? Which specific right?
    civil rights, equal rights, human rights,
    all the ones that refer to liberty, equal treatment and against illegal discrimination, take your pick. If you think im going to go through them all you are sadly mistaken lol

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