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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    What I'm seeing is that because they are Muslim beliefs, well we just call it a different situation.


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    No, not really. Sorry I added it too late for your response, but cabs are also uniquely regulated by state and federal DOT. That's not true of vanilla brick and mortor business.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, not really. Sorry I added it too late for your response, but cabs are also uniquely regulated by state and federal DOT. That's not true of vanilla brick and mortor business.
    Brick and mortor stores are uniquely regulated by state and federal building and safety code not applicable to cabs. DOT, Safety codes, Fire Codes, etc. have no bearing on the premise.

    Christians discriminating against "the gheys" for religious reasons - OK, religious freedom.

    Muslim cab drivers discriminating against regular folks for religious reasons - not OK, they don't count.




    You don't see the attempt at justification and hypocrisy of that position?


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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

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    Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

    Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

    Why anyone would live there is beyond me.
    Well, I live there. I think our legislators are complete morons, I've met many of them, and our GED governor.

    It is frustrating. However, it is a beautiful place to live, I was born here and I love being here. It has been in the 80's for the last few weeks, citrus is blooming, my papapays and bananas are growing well. When it is really hot in the summer, San Diego is a short drive or flight away. It is a beautiful state, but we have some very ugly people in our legislature. I was a republican, but the actions of the clowns under the copper dome made me become an independent. I don't reward the stupidity of the talibornagain idjits that try to pass theocratic laws.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Well, I live there. I think our legislators are complete morons, I've met many of them, and our GED governor.

    It is frustrating. However, it is a beautiful place to live, I was born here and I love being here. It has been in the 80's for the last few weeks, citrus is blooming, my papapays and bananas are growing well. When it is really hot in the summer, San Diego is a short drive or flight away. It is a beautiful state, but we have some very ugly people in our legislature. I was a republican, but the actions of the clowns under the copper dome made me become an independent. I don't reward the stupidity of the talibornagain idjits that try to pass theocratic laws.
    Yeah it is beautiful this time of year. But these hicks are ****ing your state up.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Brick and mortor stores are uniquely regulated by state and federal building and safety code not applicable to cabs. DOT, Safety codes, Fire Codes, etc. have no bearing on the premise.

    Christians discriminating against "the gheys" for religious reasons - OK, religious freedom.

    Muslim cab drivers discriminating against regular folks for religious reasons - not OK, they don't count.




    You don't see the attempt at justification and hypocrisy of that position?


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    No considering cab companies are also regulated by the states and cities as to whom they can refuse. They are part of the public transportation system. All this is in addition to all the other business laws, regs and ordinances normal brick and morter is subject to. They are indeed a special case.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Yeah it is beautiful this time of year. But these hicks are ****ing your state up.
    From what I read, the bill is designed to close some loopholes in a law that already exists. If the law already exists, why all this righteous indignation?

    Arizona businesses already can refuse to serve gays: SB1062 explained - latimes.com

    Why the need if the law is only under threat in New Mexico?

    “Freedom is too important to leave to chance,” LaRue said.

    He offered an example:

    “There is a law that bans discrimination at public accommodations based on religion in Arizona. Let’s pretend that I’m a bakery and that in my town here in Arizona, Westboro Baptist Church comes to picket a funeral of a soldier, and they tell me to bake a cake. They want it to say, ‘God hates ...’ and that terrible word they use.

    “It would offend my dignity. I don’t want to give voice to that horrible message. Right now, they could sue me for discriminating based on their religious beliefs. If the Arizona courts went the way of the New Mexico courts, I would lose and if they targeted me, I could lose my business because of the damages I’d have to pay out. I would never be able to assert my Religious Freedom Restoration Act defense because it’s available only if the government is prosecuting me.”

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No considering cab companies are also regulated by the states and cities as to whom they can refuse.
    Regular businesses are regulated by the States and Cities as to whom they can refuse. They are called Public Accommodation laws. The same laws the Muslim Cab drivers ran afoul of.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They are part of the public transportation system.
    The company in reference was a private company and not part of any government public transportation system.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    All this is in addition to all the other business laws, regs and ordinances normal brick and morter is subject to. They are indeed a special case.
    Yes of course they are a special case.


    Muslim religious freedom = bad.

    Christian religious freedom = good.



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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    ..you wanna back that crock of BS up...?


    the bill is stupid , it sucks... but this statement is equally misguided. C'mon
    It was an honest mistake. In searching for what I had read and to what I was referring I confused a couple of articles. There are tech groups looking at the Phoenix area for expansion. Google is not one of them. Google Fiber is considering Arizona (one of fifteen) states for ultra high speed internet.

    There's your crock of BS.










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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Brewer is going to veto.

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    Indeed, but the question is why is she waiting so long to do so? It would seem wise to send a resounding "NO" that can be heard nationally.

    Arizona honestly has a problem with a small group of very narrow-minded legislators working in concert or on behalf of powerful religiously affiliated lobbying groups. There is no question this most recent brain fartery has already cost the state (taxpayers) money in lost revenue.

    Look beyond the immediate issue if you are thinking of expanding your business or moving your business to Arizona. The legislature here is pretty hosed up. There really is no guarantee that the morons who control the legislature aren't going to do similar things in the future. In fact they have some bone head things in the works according to the newspaper.

    Yes, Brewer will veto the bill. Not quickly enough, it seems. But beyond that is more uncertainty and there is a recent history of really idiotic extremism in the state legislature. Would you bet your business future on the stability of Arizona State Government and move it or expand it here only to have the state mandate some other kind of crackpot social engineering law(s) that would hamper you from attracting talented workers from out of state? What if you moved your business here only to have the state legislature pass more of this kind of garbage and have Arizona businesses boycotted in protest as happened as a result of SB1070 the anti-imigration law?

    What the current bill is doing is reinforcing valid concerns about the stability of Arizona's business environment. Those concerns will not go away when the governor vetoes the bill.










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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    I would expect Gov. Brewer to use similar language as she used with a veto once before.
    This is a "bridge too far".

    As much as I should sympathize with the majority of GOP voters who do not feel this way,
    the voters of AZ did elect these people and they are the Majority.

    The GOP will begin to reshape itself and regrow as soon as National Leaders weigh in as Sen. McCain and Sen. Flake did, as Mr. Boehner used to.
    As well, this is a GOP issue, and I will be glad to light up the DEMs as soon as they do this stuff .
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