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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Issue Analysis: Arizona Bill Does Not Give Businesses License to Discriminate Against Gays

    Some have claimed that a bill recently passed by the Arizona legislature would give businesses broad license to not serve someone for being gay. This claim, though, may be a misreading, according a CP legislative analysis. While the bill is an attempt to broaden who is covered under its religious freedom protections, in all cases it actually narrows when a religious belief could be used to refuse service.

    Here are six important points to understand about the just-passed bill:

    1. If Gov. Jan Brewer (R) signs it, the bill, S.B. 1062, would make some modifications to a 1999 Arizona law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA).

    2. Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.




    you Rainbow people supporters NEED TO QUIT LYING!

    This bill overrides local ordinances that may provide protections under local Public Accommodation laws. What is incorrect in that Statement.

    You are correct though, in most of Arizona it is already legal to discriminate against gays and lesbians, but this law does is expands who can be discriminated against. Claim a serious religous belief and this law protects you even if you are discriminating against blacks, asians, Jews, Muslims, etc.

    A few years ago there were cases of Muslim cab drivers in another state who refused to carry passengers carrying alcohol (not drinking, carrying closed containers) and to carry service dogs for disabled people. They were found to be in violation of the law. Under this law they would be exempt from Public Accommodation because their sincerely held religious beliefs (as defined under Shaira Law) would exempt them.



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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    That is a good question.

    I cant show a copy of the unwritten social contract exists. What I can show is that all societies have had one and that the Founding Fathers of our society never voided some of its principals (mandatory service in common defense, no property is absolutely private and can thus be taxed, or claimed under imminent domain).

    Can you think of any societies that held that: One could not be forced to participate in the common defense / group assistance and that property was absolutely private and thus could not be taxed, taken via imminent domain etc?

    wrong again, no social contract exist, because to make such a claim is to say America has a collective society, based on the group, instead of the individual,.

    we know this not to be the case ,rights are individual rights, not collective, the group does not get to chose what rights people will have.

    the founders had no mandatory service, false, property such as as imports could be taxed by the feds, duties, impost, there was no income tax, states are not limited and can tax the people, imminent domain was meant that property had to be used to the good of the union, not individuals or corporations.

    you seem to be lost and are getting state powers crossed with federal powers.

    our founders are against collectivism, and created our senate to stop such action before the 17th amendment, as stated by Madison in federalist 63

    " The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former.

    so you need to stop confusing state and federal powers, and stop, saying things which are not correct.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Having an irrational fear of a thing is considered a phobia.
    It has to be a anxiety disorder for it to be a phobia, not just an irrational fear. Can you prove anyone suffers from such a thing towards gays? Oh, and once again, racism is not a phobia.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

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    Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

    Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

    Why anyone would live there is beyond me.
    That's fine, so long as there are exceptions for emergency care and such it's not a problem.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Brewer is going to veto.

    /thread
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Brewer is going to veto.

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    Agreed.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Brewer is going to veto.

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    Good for her. She should veto it.

    (Waiting to see what hyperpartisan conclusions Zyphlin draws from this....)


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    This bill overrides local ordinances that may provide protections under local Public Accommodation laws. What is incorrect in that Statement.

    You are correct though, in most of Arizona it is already legal to discriminate against gays and lesbians, but this law does is expands who can be discriminated against. Claim a serious religous belief and this law protects you even if you are discriminating against blacks, asians, Jews, Muslims, etc.

    A few years ago there were cases of Muslim cab drivers in another state who refused to carry passengers carrying alcohol (not drinking, carrying closed containers) and to carry service dogs for disabled people. They were found to be in violation of the law. Under this law they would be exempt from Public Accommodation because their sincerely held religious beliefs (as defined under Shaira Law) would exempt them.



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    Cabs are a whole different class of business. They are already very highly regulated unlike most brick and mortor businesses. Not to mention their place of business is subject to more than regular business regulation but vehicle as well as roadway regs including the DOT, both federal and state.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Good for her. She should veto it.

    (Waiting to see what hyperpartisan conclusions Zyphlin draws from this....)
    I don't think she should. In fact I think the NFL in particular should lose it's protected status for making the threat. I know I'll never use American Airlines again.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Cabs are a whole different class of business. They are already very highly regulated unlike most brick and mortor businesses. Not to mention their place of business is subject to more than regular business regulation but vehicle as well as roadway regs.

    What I'm seeing is that because they are Muslim beliefs, well we just call it a different situation.


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