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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Are you really trying to suggest this bill meant something else? Really?
    Nope, just trying to be honest and accurate in what the bill actually says. It sucks big time in it's concept.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Looks like some of the rats are starting to jump ship....

    State Sens. Bob Worsley, Adam Driggs and Steve Pierce sent their letter urging a veto just days after they joined the entire 17-member Senate GOP caucus in voting for the bill.
    Pressure mounts over Ariz. bill on refusing service to gays | Nation & World | The Seattle Times

    Oh the strength of convictions...

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    find for me anything in a constitution, which gives government social authority in people life's!
    prove your various forms!
    That is a good question.

    I cant show a copy of the unwritten social contract exists. What I can show is that all societies have had one and that the Founding Fathers of our society never voided some of its principals (mandatory service in common defense, no property is absolutely private and can thus be taxed, or claimed under imminent domain).

    Can you think of any societies that held that: One could not be forced to participate in the common defense / group assistance and that property was absolutely private and thus could not be taxed, taken via imminent domain etc?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Nope, just trying to be honest and accurate
    Honest and accurate? Oh you mean in a Fake News kind of way? Wink, wink.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Are you really trying to suggest this bill meant something else? Really?
    If its open ended, and it sounds like it is, you can decline service by referencing your religion. Similar to the ability to refuse combat assignments in the military.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If its open ended, and it sounds like it is, you can decline service by referencing your religion. Similar to the ability to refuse combat assignments in the military.
    This is AZ we are talking about. Call a spade a spade. No pun intended.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Honest and accurate? Oh you mean in a Fake News kind of way? Wink, wink.
    No, I don't see how scanning the text can be seen as anything like Fake News (wink wink). The bill sucks. It could be used as an excuse to discriminate against gays and lesbians, as well as people who have had, or performed abortions. It doesn't stop there. It's bad. The OP focuses on sexual preference, but it's far more than only that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    This is AZ we are talking about. Call a spade a spade. No pun intended.
    Its a change to an existing law( been on the books since 1999 ). Here is a nice annotated version showing what was added/removed. Biggest change is the previous version was in reference to a religious organization or assembly only, while the new version adds individuals.

    Bill Text: AZ SB1062 | 2014 | Fifty-first Legislature 2nd Regular | Engrossed | LegiScan

    As written, it expands existing "discriminatory" practices.

    Furthermore, it doesn't disallow someone to sue for discrimination. If a person sues for discrimination, and wins, the person sued can claim religious exemption, and the state reimburses them for their loss.
    Last edited by Samhain; 02-25-14 at 12:16 PM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    The pressure mounts...

    With Super Bowl At Stake, NFL Keeps Close Eye On Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill
    With Super Bowl At Stake, NFL Keeps Close Eye On Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill

    Big money is getting behind the repeal of this idiotic bill. And so it should be. This bill is dead meat. Even if the bigots and religious nut jobs behind it don't know it yet.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Issue Analysis: Arizona Bill Does Not Give Businesses License to Discriminate Against Gays

    Some have claimed that a bill recently passed by the Arizona legislature would give businesses broad license to not serve someone for being gay. This claim, though, may be a misreading, according a CP legislative analysis. While the bill is an attempt to broaden who is covered under its religious freedom protections, in all cases it actually narrows when a religious belief could be used to refuse service.

    Here are six important points to understand about the just-passed bill:

    1. If Gov. Jan Brewer (R) signs it, the bill, S.B. 1062, would make some modifications to a 1999 Arizona law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA).

    2. Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.




    you Rainbow people supporters NEED TO QUIT LYING!

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