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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    When 'cheering?'

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure that they were not informing their managers of their actions and that they'd have been fired if they made it known and persisted.
    One of those people was my ex wife, and no she didn't try to hide it (it's a big sign everyone sees) and no she wasn't fired. She told management of her view and they told her just to use that sign. It was never a problem.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you see, a phobia is an anxiety disorder, defined by fear of an object or situation where the person goes to great lengths to avoid whatever it might be. It does not mean that the person oppose or other show hate towards a certain group like you are assuming it does. The bigots you see talk against gays aren't doing it because they have some sort of anxiety disorder, but because they don't accept their lifestyle and they are taking measures because of it. Not accepting someone for who they are and treating them like dirt doesn't mean someone has an anxiety disorder, and you shouldn't assume that it does. Also, racism is not a phobia and to equate any sort of phobia with it is simply wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    They don't

    Disliking someone or their lifestyle is not fear

    Homophobia is thought to be a fear

    for some reason, some psychologists see homophobia as a real condition.
    HOMOPHOBIA

    (George Weinberg, "a heterosexual psychologist")
    “I coined the word homophobia to mean it was a
    phobia about homosexuals….It was a fear of
    homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a
    fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one
    fought for—home and family. It was a religious
    fear and it had led to great brutality as fear always
    does.”
    Related to the question of whether homophobia is really about intense, irrational fear is the question of whether it is about diagnosis. Some activists and commentators have embraced the language of psychopathology in discussing homophobia (Brownworth, 2001; Elliott, 1988; Johnson, 1993; Lerner, 1993). Most of their analyses can be considered mainly rhetorical, but some clinicians have argued that homophobia is indeed a psychopathology and others have implicitly accepted homophobia as a valid clinical label for at least some individuals (Kantor, 1998; see also Guindon, Green, & Hanna, 2003; Jones & Sullivan, 2002). Empirical data to support this conceptualization are lacking. Strong aversions and even fear responses to homosexuality are observed in some mentally ill patients. But the broad assertion that homophobia is a pathology seems as unfounded as earlier arguments that homosexuality was an illness.
    most interesting to more tolerant folks is that it has been shown that those with the strongest anti-gay sentiments are often sexually aroused when they view gay porn
    Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn | Psychology Today

    One study asked heterosexal men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos. ... While this was happening, a device was attached to each participant's penis.
    <snip>
    When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket;1062953294
    Google is reportedly looking at adding a major center in Arizona.[B
    No doubt everyone working for major businesses are white, born again, male and straight[/B]..
    ..you wanna back that crock of BS up...?


    the bill is stupid , it sucks... but this statement is equally misguided. C'mon

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

    Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

    Why anyone would live there is beyond me.
    I think this bill is wrong on all levels. But to be clear, please post the actual text of the bill and show everyone where it specifies the words,: gay, lesbian, homosexual, or sexual.
    Last edited by Woodman909; 02-25-14 at 11:24 AM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post

    Homophobia however is merely an imaginary fear .
    I have to wonder if my red neck phobia is real or imagined?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    I think this bill is wrong on all levels. But to be clear, please post the actual text of the bill and show everyone where it specifies the words,: gay, lesbian, homosexual, or sexual.
    What's the matter? Fingers not working? Do it yourself.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your problem is you believe rights are collective [ democracy], and that society determines what rights are [ which is what France does], and how people will exercise them, this is not the case, the founders are clear rights are individual rights.

    a collective body in your mind has a lien on my rights and choose them for me,...........however.....unalienable, means no lien can be placed on them.

    I like this post. You are right- I do think that the unwritten social contract that all societies have places limits on some "inalienable" rights.

    For example: Inalienable right to private property
    but... social contract states no property is absolutely private. Thus imminent domain, zoning codes and taxation are valid concepts.

    All societies have determined that society, as a whole, retains some degree of ownership over every piece of property in that society. How often, and under what circumstances society excercizes this contract, can vary from almost always, to almost never (of which I favor "almost never").

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    under the constitution of the founders, conscription would be unconstitutional.

    because it violates the founding principles.
    I dont think so. Various forms of conscription were used in both during the revolutionary war and post war. Though conscription was haphazard, the Founding fathers evidiently believed that conscription as a concept was valid and a legitimate use of state authority. Conscription in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Thus, the Founding Fathers appeared to retain the unwritten social contract that individuals could be forced to participate in the common defense.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 02-25-14 at 11:56 AM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I like this post. I also think you are right, I do think that some olbigations (social contract) are societal and that while we have unalienable rights, government still retains authority to enforce the social contract.

    For example: Inalienable right to private property
    but... social contract states no property is absolutely private. Thus imminent domain, zoning codes and taxation are valid concepts.

    Please note that the social concept of "no property is absolutely private" can be applied very broadly (maoism) to very nominally. I prefer the very nominal level. Even still, the main point is that all societies have determined that society, as a whole retains some sense degree of ownership over every piece of property in that society. How often society excercizes this contract, can vary from almost always, to almost never.



    I dont think so. Various forms of conscription were used in both during the revolutionary war and post war. Though conscription was haphazard, the Founding fathers evidiently believed that conscription as a concept was valid and a legitimate use of state authority. Conscription in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Thus, the Founding Fathers appeared to retain the unwritten social contract that individuals could be forced to participate in the common defense.
    find for me anything in a constitution, which gives government social authority in people life's!

    prove your various forms!

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    What's the matter? Fingers not working? Do it yourself.
    I did, and the words were not in the text. I thought since you posted the OP you read the bill first to confirm, but that is obviously not part of your MO.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    I did, and the words were not in the text. I thought since you posted the OP you read the bill first to confirm, but that is obviously not part of your MO.
    Are you really trying to suggest this bill meant something else? Really?

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