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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    has nothing to do with libertarianism........you fail there.

    its about law.....life liberty and pursuit of happiness, ...which is u.s code...law.

    all you have never told me is......."you don't like something, therefore it should be stopped"
    Actually, I never mentioned my own likes or dislikes. As for libertarianism vs the US Declaration of Independence - not US law, yes those concepts are enshrined in that document.

    Also enshrined in US society is the unwritten social contract of mutual interdependence and that it is lawful to force this interdependence on somebody against their will. This is in contrast to libertarianism.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Actually, I never mentioned my own likes or dislikes. As for libertarianism vs the US Declaration of Independence - not US law, yes those concepts are enshrined in that document.

    Also enshrined in US society is the unwritten social contract of mutual interdependence and that it is lawful to force this interdependence on somebody against their will. This is in contrast to libertarianism.
    wrong again, the DOI is LAW.........its u.s code, on page 1.

    the DOI, THE CONSTITUTION, NORTHWEST ORDNANCE, ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF THE U.S.

    SO ITS CLEAR, YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF U.S. LAW.

    AND BASE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE ON "MOB RULE"

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

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    Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

    Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

    Why anyone would live there is beyond me.
    I knew a couple people who worked at walmart and refused to sell alcohol or tobacco when cheering. They just put the same sign on their register that employees under 18/21 used. It was never an issue that I'm aware of.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong again, the DOI is LAW.........its u.s code, on page 1.

    the DOI, NORTHWEST ORDNANCE, ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF THE U.S.

    SO ITS CLEAR, YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF U.S. LAW.
    Sigh, the Declaration of Independence is not U.S. law. Rather, it is a declaration of political independence pure and simple.

    If you dont believe me, point out a component of the Declaration of Independence that establishes a law. The DOI expresses alot of ideals, but does not create law.

    In fact, Wikipedia calls it what it is: A declaration (of course, it is a very eloquent declaration that serves as the founding philosophy of our nation, but it is not law- and it sure the heck is not "US code page 1".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...f_Independence

    Are you sure that you have enough knowledge on this subject matter to be shouting? Are there libertarians out there who can make cogent arguments?
    Last edited by Cryptic; 02-24-14 at 06:32 PM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Nope, I cant. The contract is a form of common law. Its been written into all human societies. The forms that the contract take and the extent of the contract can vary considerably (from very exacting, to very nominal), but every society has had some form of social contract amongst members.
    In that case it appears many of our politicians are looking at serious consequences for intentionally dividing society for their own purposes.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Sigh, the Declaration of Independence is not U.S. law. Rather, it is a declaration of political independence pure and simple. Are you sure that you have enough knowledge on this subject matter to be shouting?

    If you dont believe me, point out a component of the Declaration of Independence that establishes a law. The DOI expresses alot of ideals, but does not create law.

    In fact, Wikipedia calls it what it is: A declaration (of course, it is a very eloquent declaration that serves as the founding philosophy of our nation, but it is not law- and it sure the heck is not "US code page 1".
    United States Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There have got to be some libertarians out there who can make cogent arguments.
    The Organic Laws of The United States of America

    The Organic Laws of The United States of America | Adask's law

    An organic or fundamental law is a law or system of laws which forms the foundation of a government, corporation or other organization's body of rules. A constitution is a particular form of organic law for a sovereign state.

    Organic laws of the United States of America
    Main article: Organic Act

    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[2]

    Merriam-Webster defines “organic” as; “of, relating to, or constituting the law by which a government or organization exists”.

    In the front of the United States Code, Volume One, you will see the title, Organic Laws of the United States of America.

    The four Organic Laws listed in the order of their occurrence, are The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 and the 1787 Constitution of the United States.

    http://organiclaws.org/

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    WHAT CONSTITUTES “ORGANIC LAWS”?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    That's really a commercial, and little more.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    WHAT CONSTITUTES “ORGANIC LAWS”?

    Ok, I stand corrected. The principals of the Declaration of Independence is a law under the definition of "organic law" ie principals on which the US was founded. I acknowledged this earlier , though I did not use the term "organic law".
    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    In fact, Wikipedia calls it what it is: A declaration (of course, it is a very eloquent declaration that serves as the founding philosophy of our nation, but it is not law-
    This, however, is not the subject of our original discussion:

    Can states enforce the concept of mutual interdependence amongst members of a society?

    I say, that yes, all societies that ever existed have done so.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's really a commercial, and little more.
    true, but i have provided other material.

    The Declaration of Independence Part of American Law

    Professor John Eidsmoe writes:

    "The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.

    "The United States Code Annotated includes the Declaration of Independence under the heading 'The Organic Laws of the United States of America' along with the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Northwest Ordinance. Enabling acts frequently require states to adhere to the principles of the Declaration; in the Enabling Act of June 16, 1906, Congress authorized Oklahoma Territory to take steps to become a state. Section 3 provides that the Oklahoma Constitution 'shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence.' (Christianity and the Constitution, pp. 360-361)

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