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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So atheist business owners could deny service to religious customers, so long as they assert that it's because of their atheism? Bet that would make a lot of religious idiots scream.
    I would not care one bit.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not really. They'd have to deny business to all religious customers. The business wouldn't last long enough for a protest to form.
    Nope, why couldn't they just pick and choose which religious customers they deny business to? When it comes to discrimination, nobody gets away with it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny how often and vehemently I'm told atheism is NOT a religion unless, of course, it's more convenient to one's argument for it to be regarded as one.
    Funny how the religious are the ones declaring that atheism is a religion, isn't it? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, the religious do not deserve special treatment.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    I would totally agree that they have that right. Private business is private business.
    Until it actually happens, then you can bet the religious would be screaming bloody murder.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's not at all what this bill is about.

    The idea was to create a protection for businesses that might get ambushed by 'crusaders'. For example, I have a client who makes custom ceramics. She makes all kinds of stuff with angels and crosses and other symbols generally associated with Christianity. If someone comes into her shop and wants a pentagram and goat head on a platter and she chooses not to make it because she's a Christian and opposed to such imagery she should be allowed to refuse that particular job.
    So what's the problem?

    If crusaders come into your establishment just kick them out. Why does a special law have to be made against homosexuals in particular, when ANYONE could "offend" you in your establishment?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't get that. I always felt like as a parent to prepare your child on how to deal with the realities of the world they are surrounded by. It seems wiser to teach them how to handle it in a way that is healthiest for them rather then to protect them from it.
    Wasn't protecting her from anything. I explained why I wouldn't do business with Disneyland and she understood. We went to other amusement parks instead. She has no problem cutting a business off her list if they refuse to serve herself or her friends.

    Once again, the court and law has no hand in this. Let your dollars do the talking. Tell your friends and family.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    So what's the problem?

    If crusaders come into your establishment just kick them out. Why does a special law have to be made against homosexuals in particular, when ANYONE could "offend" you in your establishment?
    Because as it stands now you can't refuse them service. Haven't you been following this issue?

    http://www.denverpost.com/editorials...s-wedding-cake

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wasn't protecting her from anything. I explained why I wouldn't do business with Disneyland and she understood. We went to other amusement parks instead. She has no problem cutting a business off her list if they refuse to serve herself or her friends.

    Once again, the court and law has no hand in this. Let your dollars do the talking. Tell your friends and family.
    I agree with that. Consumers have much more power then they make use of.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill - CNN.com

    Gotta love the backass republicans who voted for this.

    Why anyone would live there is beyond me.
    I feel the same way about Colorado where courts have ruled that any business must cater to gays and lesbians even if they do not wish to do so.

    This sort of law is a good and necessary reaction to such orwellian court decisions.

    We need more of this in many ways.

    Government needs to be abolished from interfering in private business.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Do you have the same problem when a hot young woman is flaunting her sexuality?
    If its his business it should be his choice.

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