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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Interesting little story from a small town paper in Arizona

    Brewer to weigh in on controversial bill | The Sierra Vista Herald

    PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer returns to work Tuesday to face a rising chorus of Republican and business voices urging her to quickly quash SB 1062. Sen. Steve Pierce, R-Prescott, who previously had been Senate president, told Capitol Media Services Sunday he now thinks the legislation, billed as providing protections for those of faith, is a bad idea. That is significant since Pierce provided one of the 17 votes that got it out of the Senate last week.

    “I screwed up,” he told Capitol Media Services. “I’m trying to make it right.”

    U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake joined the fray, sending a Tweet on Sunday urging Brewer to veto the measure passed with only the votes of Republicans like he is.

    Glenn Hamer, president of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, also said Sunday Brewer should kill the bill as bad for business. And Kristin Jarnagin, vice president of the Arizona Lodging and Tourism Association said just the fact that the Legislature approved the measure has resulted in cancelled trips.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    If a business owner in running his business is not committing a crime or violating health and safety code, then by what authority in a constitution does it give goverment power tp apply force on the business's owner?

    Goverment is here to secure rights,not to force people to do things agonist there will, just because government wants a particular outcome.
    Spoken like a true admirer of the Waffen SS. Ernst would be so proud.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Then he should definitely move. He should never be granted access to someone elses private property. If someone doesnt want you on their property, they shouldnt have to allow you there. For whatever reason.
    So the smart thing for him to do would be, before he moves, check with every single business in the new town to make sure they serve black people. As I said, you are a segregationist - or at least a segregationist sympathizer. You'd rather have the black guy die than receive drugs at the local KKK pharmacy. Stunning, but par for the course for Libertarians - who don't give a damn about people, just property.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you must be severely confused and in the wrong thread
    He's just longing for the days of Bull Connor keeping those black folks out of Woolworths with fire hoses and police dogs. Remember, this is the Rand Paul philosophy.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Spoken like a true admirer of the Waffen SS. Ernst would be so proud.
    This makes no sense

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Because the governemnt has a legitimate interest in a smoothly running society. Discrimination based on race, sex, etc. tends to be disruptive. That aside, private individuals running a commerical business should be required to provide service to all, but not contracts.

    When applied to say gay marriage it could be:

    -Cake baker must serve gays, blacks, native americans, whites, asians etc by allowing them to buy cakes at his store.
    -Cake baker does not need to accept a contract to customize a cake saying "Adam and Steve are married"

    Rather, gays are just sold a cake and they can put what they want on it. Likewise, neo confedrates can shop for and buy a t-shirt from the black T-shirt printer. But, he can decline a contract to customize it with the CSA battle flag.
    is government here to feed, cloth, put shelter over your head, force you to behave in a moral fashion.........no

    government is instituted to secure rights of the people, ..which is the fundamental law of the u.s.....the DOI

    if rights did not need to be secured, governments would not need to exist,...James Madison--"if men were angels no government would be necessary"

    since rights being secure is the fundamental basis of government's existence , then how can government use force on people who have not infringed on another person rights [which is a crime], or violated health and saftey laws [business regulation]?

    all your explaining to me is......... because someone would be mad at another person, and have his feelings hurt, and government needs to force people to do business with people they do not wish to.......feelings are not protected by Constitutions.

    their is no right to be served, ......however every citizen does have right to property, and right to association, ....these are rights, so tell me how government can violate those rights of the people, just because they don't like how someone behaves, which is not unlawful.

    our constitution is written for government only, and it states clearly the government cannot use force on a citizen to make him serve another citizen, unless a crime has been committed.....discrimination is not a crime.

    the court case in CO, was an administrative law case, with an administrative judge presiding over it.

    again...how can government use force on anyone to do something they do not wish to do, if they have committed no crime or not endangered anyone, ...by the fundamental laws of our nation, ..............government has no authority to do........... anything on the matter of discrimination between private citizens/business.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you must be severely confused and in the wrong thread
    Don't you believe that you have a right to walk onto anyone's property? Don't you believe people are obligated to serve you if they happen to run a business?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    He's just longing for the days of Bull Connor keeping those black folks out of Woolworths with fire hoses and police dogs. Remember, this is the Rand Paul philosophy.
    No that is not the rand Paul philosophy. You are seriously confused.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So the smart thing for him to do would be, before he moves, check with every single business in the new town to make sure they serve black people. As I said, you are a segregationist - or at least a segregationist sympathizer. You'd rather have the black guy die than receive drugs at the local KKK pharmacy. Stunning, but par for the course for Libertarians - who don't give a damn about people, just property.
    Do you seriously believe he should be entitled to that mans property and services? That mans labor and business? What place does he have to force that man to allow him on the property and do business with him?
    If you just happen to run a business, that means you become everyone's slave? I don't think so. Just because you happen to be in business, that doesn't mean everyone else is entitled to your business.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Goverment is here to secure rights
    I assumed the right not to be discriminated against in a big way (voting, commerce, etc.) is the right being protected.

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