If a business owner in running his business is not committing a crime or violating health and safety code, then by what authority in a constitution does it give goverment power tp apply force on the business's owner?
Goverment is here to secure rights,not to force people to do things agonist there will, just because government wants a particular outcome.
Last edited by Master PO; 02-24-14 at 05:31 AM.
Anti-Democracy advocate, Mixed government is the only good government
THE second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.
Women (Nasty or otherwise) are going to be the reason that Donald Trump is NEVER President!
If you wish to read Arizona's anti-gay bill, here it is Bill Text: AZ SB1062 | 2014
It has some rather interesting statements, for instancethen there is the stated requirement as to who and what is a "person"Definitions: 2. "Exercise of religion" means the PRACTICE OR OBSERVANCE OF RELIGION, INCLUDING THE ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief.Here's the section that will kick Arizona in the 'nads if the Governor signs SB 1062 into law5. "Person" includes ANY INDIVIDUAL, ASSOCIATION, PARTNERSHIP, CORPORATION, CHURCH, RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY OR INSTITUTION, ESTATE, TRUST, FOUNDATION OR OTHER LEGAL ENTITY.As soon as I read it, my first thought was "They just legalised Mormon and Muslim polygamy!!"41-1493.01. Free exercise of religion protected; definition
A. Free exercise of religion is a fundamental right that applies in this state even if laws, rules or other government actions are facially neutral.
B. Except as provided in subsection C, OF THIS SECTION, STATE ACTION shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.
Hatred of one class of citizens certainly does seem to cause blindness in regards to all possible consequences. Then of course there is the ever so small matter that business groups across the state are protesting the passage of SB 1062. I wonder why that might be, after all doesn't this bill give businesses free rein in choosing their customers.
and finally, another example of hypocrisy; one often reads about "tort reform" as a means of reducing medical costs. "Tort reform", as it is used in these rants, is taken as an excuse to reduce rewards when a doctor or hospital loses a court case by either putting a cap on the amount the plaintiff may receive or by reducing the instances in whch liability is incurred by medical professionals. SB 1062 increases the possibility for legal complaints against all governmental bodies whenever a "person" (remember this includes corporations) feels unduly burdened by government actions.D. A person whose religious exercise is burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT IS A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING. THE PERSON ASSERTING SUCH A CLAIM OR DEFENSE MAY OBTAIN APPROPRIATE RELIEF. A party who prevails in any action to enforce this article against a government shall recover attorney fees and costs.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
"If you don't want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don't." Jimmy Carter
The fact that I can post proves I am alive and therefore no attempt was made at a succesful life I simply have one.
You onher hand simply tried to spin and did an poor job of it.
The right to free association is a real right everyone has and government has no business interfering. Homophobia on the other hand is merely a fringe concept used primarily to save face when losing an argument or debate which is even remotely related to gay people.
You did not translate succesfully as you claim your attempt to spin was childish and dishonest.
If a store is selling goods, then I don't think they should be able to discriminate on the basis of any of the discussed social demographics: age, gender, race, ethnicity, gender orientation. Not wearing shoes or a shirt or those types of things, yes they should be allowed.
I feel differently about personal services. A hair dresser, a masseuse and yes, a photographer should be able to make that judgment whether they want to provide that personal service or not and for whatever reason they see fit. A plumber, roofer or other trade I don't see as a personal service. The main profession I don't have an answer for is healthcare provider.
When applied to say gay marriage it could be:
-Cake baker must serve gays, blacks, native americans, whites, asians etc by allowing them to buy cakes at his store.
-Cake baker does not need to accept a contract to customize a cake saying "Adam and Steve are married"
Rather, gays are just sold a cake and they can put what they want on it. Likewise, neo confedrates can shop for and buy a t-shirt from the black T-shirt printer. But, he can decline a contract to customize it with the CSA battle flag.