Page 53 of 122 FirstFirst ... 343515253545563103 ... LastLast
Results 521 to 530 of 1212

Thread: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

  1. #521
    Professor
    Phil_Osophy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    11-11-14 @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,450

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, you only believe businesses have the right to separate people. That makes you a supporter of segregation, regardless of how you wish to portray it.
    It has nothing to do with separating people. I believe a man has the right to control his labor and property. Thats the bottom line. Just because he chooses to serve some people, doesnt mean you get to force him to serve all. He should have a say in what happens with his property.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Thanks for enlightening us with your deep experiences with discrimination. Now I know that when black people in the south before 1964 were denied jobs, bank loans, prohibited from buying or renting a home in most neighborhoods, and denied the ability to go to a store, take a bus, or eat at a restaurant like everyone else by the private sector, they weren't harmed, just slightly inconvenienced.
    Black people eventually started opening their own businesses. Some of the black owned businesses, like night clubs, did better than white owned businesses

  2. #522
    Guru
    Mustachio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,582

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Aren't homosexuals also subject to laws when the laws say that there is no such thing as homosexual "marriage?"

    Weren't homosexuals also subject to laws which made sodomy illegal?

    Since when is "it's the law" a good rebuttal in a philosophic debate? Look, I'll grant you if homosexuals had followed your advice and desisted in their agenda to devalue marriage and to overturn sodomy laws, that is, if they obeyed the law without trying to change the law, then your argument would have some merit, but that reality never existed, so it's kind of ludicrous to sputter and exclaim "It's the law!"

    Protected class is a political designation in a body of law created by erroneous reasoning on the part of courts. This doesn't give us much insight into issues which arise from natural rights.
    It's like you looked at the words in my post without reading them. I never made the argument that anti-discrimination laws are good or just simply because they are the existing law. The argument I was making is that a business owner practicing discrimination is nothing like a woman choosing a sexual partner based on whether or not they are a Star Trek nerd. The fact that you believe such a comparison is even worthwhile of discussion blows my mind.

    You didn't respond to any of my points, in fact. Why don't you go back and read the part about health inspections, respond to that, and only then will I bother to have a conversation with you. Do you disagree with health inspections? Should women be required to pass a health inspection before going out on a date? Unless you are completely insane, your answer will be "no" and "no," and then I respond: "then you agree that business owners must obey certain laws in order to protect consumers," and then you proceed to evade my point, and throughout this exchange it is all too clear that your hyperbole has not succeeded in making any valid point.
    Last edited by Mustachio; 02-23-14 at 06:49 PM.
    A working class hero is something to be

  3. #523
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-17 @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    15,248

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    It has nothing to do with separating people. I believe a man has the right to control his labor and property. Thats the bottom line. Just because he chooses to serve some people, doesnt mean you get to force him to serve all. He should have a say in what happens with his property.


    Black people eventually started opening their own businesses. Some of the black owned businesses, like night clubs, did better than white owned businesses
    So let me see if I've got this straight. You are a black person who lives in a small town with one drugstore/pharmacy. You have diabetes and need refills of insulin on a fairly regular basis. You are perfectly fine with the owner of that drug store simply refusing to serve black people, and if a black person goes into diabetic shock and dies, that's just the breaks. At least the property rights of the guy who owns the drug store were upheld. Amazing.
    "Groups with guitars are on the way out, Mr. Epstein"

    Dick Rowe, A & R man
    Decca Records
    London, 1962

  4. #524
    Professor
    Phil_Osophy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    11-11-14 @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,450

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So let me see if I've got this straight. You are a black person who lives in a small town with one drugstore/pharmacy. You have diabetes and need refills of insulin on a fairly regular basis. You are perfectly fine with the owner of that drug store simply refusing to serve black people, and if a black person goes into diabetic shock and dies, that's just the breaks. At least the property rights of the guy who owns the drug store were upheld. Amazing.
    First of all, this hypothetical black person is a moron for living in such a town. That's like living on the side of an active volcano, the. Bitching and moaning when it erupts.

    You simply move to a new town and shop at a pharmacy that wants your money. Somebody, somewhere wants that persons money.

    And yes, his property rights should be upheld, the same way the property rights of said black person should be upheld. Now if this was some taxpayer funded clinic, ID have a problem with that. But I have no problem with somebody exercising their property rights.

  5. #525
    Sage
    chromium's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    A2
    Last Seen
    06-05-17 @ 10:53 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    16,968

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The fight for freedom has to start somewhere. We Pro-Choice advocates have a long battle ahead of us for you totalitarians have been quite successful in your war against human rights and your spread of oppression needs to be rolled back.
    I have no idea wtf you're talking about! A jim crow setup oppresses the minority only, not the bigot business owners who take part. Your only battle is against common decency. In your perfect world the minority has to crawl on their knees in the streets for whatever crumbs were accidentally left out. Now behold 3rd world america!

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Do you agree with people who burn the US Flag? Do you agree that the US Flag should be burned? Or do you agree that people should have the right to burn the Flag as part of their right to free speech even though you disagree with that speech and that action?
    It's just a ****ing piece of cloth to me, i couldn't care less! Far more symbolic are the roads and bridges crumbling to **** all around you.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I don't believe that anyone in this thread has asked you to patronize a restaurant which only wishes to associate with white people, but any person who defends human rights has to recognize that such a restaurant must have the freedom to exercise the right to free association, just like we recognize that we don't have to agree with the burning of the Flag in order to defend the right of people to make such statements.
    I must recognize no such thing. Such racists can die in the gutter.

  6. #526
    Educator Soupnazi630's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    11-08-14 @ 09:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    855

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Translation: I want the right of free homophobic expression.
    Nope we already have that right.

    No need to want what we already have.

    The right to free association is what is being violated and yes it is a human right.

    Your attempt to spin is a failure.

  7. #527
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-17 @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    15,248

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    First of all, this hypothetical black person is a moron for living in such a town. That's like living on the side of an active volcano, the. Bitching and moaning when it erupts.

    You simply move to a new town and shop at a pharmacy that wants your money. Somebody, somewhere wants that persons money.

    And yes, his property rights should be upheld, the same way the property rights of said black person should be upheld. Now if this was some taxpayer funded clinic, ID have a problem with that. But I have no problem with somebody exercising their property rights.
    Somehow I figured that situation would wind up being the black guy's fault. Supposing there is no town close by. Supposing he works in that town and his children go to school in that town.

    So your answer is , yes, you'd rather see the black guy die than require the pharmacy to provide him with medicine. As I said, amazing.
    "Groups with guitars are on the way out, Mr. Epstein"

    Dick Rowe, A & R man
    Decca Records
    London, 1962

  8. #528
    Professor
    Phil_Osophy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    11-11-14 @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,450

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Somehow I figured that situation would wind up being the black guy's fault. Supposing there is no town close by. Supposing he works in that town and his children go to school in that town.

    So your answer is , yes, you'd rather see the black guy die than require the pharmacy to provide him with medicine. As I said, amazing.
    Then he should definitely move. He should never be granted access to someone elses private property. If someone doesnt want you on their property, they shouldnt have to allow you there. For whatever reason.

  9. #529
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,798

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Somehow I figured that situation would wind up being the black guy's fault. Supposing there is no town close by. Supposing he works in that town and his children go to school in that town.

    So your answer is , yes, you'd rather see the black guy die than require the pharmacy to provide him with medicine. As I said, amazing.
    lol yep thank good our country is nothing like that


    thankfully our constitution, country, rights and laws aren't that mentally retarded, inept and asinine. Im glad my country protects my freedoms and rights.
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  10. #530
    Professor
    Phil_Osophy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    11-11-14 @ 02:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,450

    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    lol yep thank good our country is nothing like that


    thankfully our constitution, country, rights and laws aren't that mentally retarded, inept and asinine. Im glad my country protects my freedoms and rights.
    You mean like the right to other people's private property, personal labor and service?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •