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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm just blown away by some of the arguments made in this thread.

    If I'm a vegetarian restaurant should I be required to provide meat products?
    If I'm a Jewish deli should I be required to serve ham and cheese sandwiches?
    If I'm a christian book store should I be required to sell the Koran?
    If I'm a cigar store should I be required to provide a non-smoking section?
    If I'm Abercrombie and Fitch should I be required to have a big and tall section?

    At some point your desire for my services just might conflict with my religious beliefs and to use the law to compel me to provide those services is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. I'm sick and freaking tired of people trying to use the coercive force of government to chip away at my rights.
    more like do you have to sell your food you sell to every one to people who eat meet

    have to sell to gentiles

    have to sell your products to Muslims

    have to let non smokers buy your products if they so wish

    have to sell your regular clothes to tall and or fat people if they want to buy it

    not about changing services but denying your services

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Over all, in the EU Fewer marriages, more divorces, A rise in births outside marriage
    Marriage and divorce statistics - Statistics Explained

    Anecdotally:
    Why does Sweden have the highest divorce rate in the world? - Yahoo Answers

    De-stressing the entire thing, 'marriage-lite'?
    USATODAY.com - Sweden's 'marriage lite' gets closer examination

    Traditionalists see it as the end The End of Marriage in Scandinavia

    Sweden has legalized same sex marriage since 2009.
    Same-sex marriage in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Given the probably accurate assessment that the same thing is going happen here in the US, looks like the US locked on the same track, with no room, ability, or, in some people's minds, desire to strike a compromise somehow.
    1st lick seems to say that offering different kinds of contracts outside of marriage is a cause for its decline rather then gay marriage

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Over all, in the EU Fewer marriages, more divorces, A rise in births outside marriage
    Marriage and divorce statistics - Statistics Explained

    Anecdotally:
    Why does Sweden have the highest divorce rate in the world? - Yahoo Answers

    De-stressing the entire thing, 'marriage-lite'?
    USATODAY.com - Sweden's 'marriage lite' gets closer examination

    Traditionalists see it as the end The End of Marriage in Scandinavia

    Sweden has legalized same sex marriage since 2009.
    Same-sex marriage in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Given the probably accurate assessment that the same thing is going happen here in the US, looks like the US locked on the same track, with no room, ability, or, in some people's minds, desire to strike a compromise somehow.
    nope nothing that shows gay marriage is causing people to not get married

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    As a "Libertarian" you think most laws are unjust - don't you? How is a society supposed to function when there are no rules?
    Libertarians arent anarchists.
    Libertarians simply believe in government being as limited as reasonable possible.
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    yes your my slave if you have a business dedicated to exchanging a service for money with people

    I don't even have to own you control your life and take all the wealth you generate but your totally my slave

    look at these would be slavers and the brave noble souls defending a business owners freedom

    So if i decide to sell my property, you are automatically entitked to it and i have no say?
    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    maybe not where they are or can get to
    insisting that it is impossible to relocate? These silly arguments never cease. We all choose where we live. Besides, eventually a business will rise up in that area to meet any demand there is.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    till they decide to turn people away to
    You are insisting that every business will start turnig gays blacks and jews away. Its simply not true. Its a lame "slippery slope" strawman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, in your world I suspect that's a law (which was a southern creation, of course) that would have been enthusiastically obeyed.

    As much fun as this has been, I think I'll leave you modern day Segregationists to each other.
    Believing that the government shouldnt control peoples labor and property makes one a segregationist?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    yes your my slave if you have a business dedicated to exchanging a service for money with people

    I don't even have to own you control your life and take all the wealth you generate but your totally my slave

    look at these would be slavers and the brave noble souls defending a business owners freedom

    Did you notice how those people are trespassing? Everyone seems to enjoy overlooking that fact. Surely, they are getting assaulted by those people, but that doesn't somehow mean they are in the right either. Both parties in that picture are criminals.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Also with less stress and societal pressures, couples splitting up in Sweden probably experience less domestic abuse.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you notice how those people are trespassing? Everyone seems to enjoy overlooking that fact.
    TRESPASSING!!?? Oh, you mean the ones committing vandalism and damaging the store by spilling stuff. OK
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Libertarians arent anarchists.
    Libertarians simply believe in government being as limited as reasonable possible.

    One problem "Libertarians" in present day America seem to have is defining "reasonable limitations"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    TRESPASSING!!?? Oh, you mean the ones committing vandalism and damaging the store by spilling stuff. OK
    Yes, the people dumping stuff on them are criminals, but that doesn't make them somehow warranted to be on that property against the owners permission. Trespassing is a crime, and the individuals sitting down in that picture are guilty of it.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Libertarians arent anarchists.
    Libertarians simply believe in government being as limited as reasonable possible.

    So if i decide to sell my property, you are automatically entitked to it and i have no say?
    insisting that it is impossible to relocate? These silly arguments never cease. We all choose where we live. Besides, eventually a business will rise up in that area to meet any demand there is.


    You are insisting that every business will start turnig gays blacks and jews away. Its simply not true. Its a lame "slippery slope" strawman.

    Believing that the government shouldnt control peoples labor and property makes one a segregationist?
    No, what makes you a segregationist is your belief that separating people on the basis of what they are rather than who they are is perfectly acceptable. Even endorsed.
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