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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    People can certainly choose to discriminate but they should understand that there can be consequences for supporting such discrimination.

    Arizona passes bill allowing businesses to deny service to gay customers | fox4kc.com

    In a letter to Brewer on Friday, the Greater Phoenix Economic Council urged the governor to veto Senate Bill 1062, saying the “legislation will likely have profound, negative effects on our business community for years to come.”

    “The legislation places businesses currently in Arizona, as well as those looking to locate here, in potentially damaging risk of litigation, and costly, needless legal disputes,” council President Barry Broome wrote, adding that four unidentified companies have vowed to locate elsewhere if the legislation is signed.

    He added, “With major events approaching in the coming year, including Super Bowl XLIX, Arizona will be the center of the world’s stage. This legislation has the potential of subjecting the Super Bowl, and major events surrounding it, to the threats of boycotts.”
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Thats another matter. The government shouldnt control peoples property
    People should comply with the laws of this country. Society has every right to say that if you are going to do business in the United States you cannot discriminate against people
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    People should comply with the laws of this country. Society has every right to say that if you are going to do business in the United States you cannot discriminate against people
    Lets say we were in the 1800s. Should we have followed the laws of not teaching blacks to reAd? Or will you admit that some laws are unjust?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Lets say we were in the 1800s. Should we have followed the laws of not teaching blacks to reAd? Or will you admit that some laws are unjust?
    As a "Libertarian" you think most laws are unjust - don't you? How is a society supposed to function when there are no rules?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If the word marriage is now to include same sex couples, what's the point of any definition of what a marriage is at all?

    There is already support for polygamous marriages coming, next it'll be someone will be wanting to marry a life sized doll, their neighbors dog, who the hell knows what's next? Now that the bounds have been removed. The flood gates have been opened, and the flood won't be held back any longer.

    The concept of 'marriage' will become meaningless. It's already happened in Sweden, and all the social ills that come with that loss of meaning.

    One of the founding pillars of a stable society will have been kicked out, and no longer able to lend support.

    Granted, this is more of a philosophical perspective.
    got to keep some definition is a contract after all just need reasons to ban certain kinds of marriage you having one spouse and your spouse having more then that doesn't seem fair

    doll cant enter a contract so that's senseless (whether a human and an ai can get married will may be an interesting question some day )

    dogs are not people so that's silly

    basically letting people enter into marge when the in the same situation as hetero sexual couples we let marry doesn't mean you have to abandon all common sense

    what happened in Sweden? and how's gay marriage harm any one else's marriage or ability to marry ?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Victims? We aren't talking about commuting acts of violence. We are talking about providing or refusing service. You don't have a right to someone else's service, labor or property. If you insist that you do, then you are saying that person is your slave and must serve you.

    And we are talking private business, not government.
    yes your my slave if you have a business dedicated to exchanging a service for money with people

    I don't even have to own you control your life and take all the wealth you generate but your totally my slave

    look at these would be slavers and the brave noble souls defending a business owners freedom


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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Someone, somewhere, is willing to take their money in exchange for soap. Point nullified.
    maybe not where they are or can get to

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's free at the Y.
    till they decide to turn people away to

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Lets say we were in the 1800s. Should we have followed the laws of not teaching blacks to reAd? Or will you admit that some laws are unjust?
    Well, in your world I suspect that's a law (which was a southern creation, of course) that would have been enthusiastically obeyed.

    As much fun as this has been, I think I'll leave you modern day Segregationists to each other.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    got to keep some definition is a contract after all just need reasons to ban certain kinds of marriage you having one spouse and your spouse having more then that doesn't seem fair

    doll cant enter a contract so that's senseless (whether a human and an ai can get married will may be an interesting question some day )

    dogs are not people so that's silly

    basically letting people enter into marge when the in the same situation as hetero sexual couples we let marry doesn't mean you have to abandon all common sense

    what happened in Sweden? and how's gay marriage harm any one else's marriage or ability to marry ?
    Over all, in the EU Fewer marriages, more divorces, A rise in births outside marriage
    Marriage and divorce statistics - Statistics Explained

    Anecdotally:
    The reason for the high divorce rate in Sweden is due to a something the Swedes call: Lagom … which is a general approach to life. It roughly translates to: average. Everything is lagom, Swedes don’t like to get stressed. If there are problems in a relationship, which is normal, Swedes give up easily. They don’t fight … they just take it lagom. Hence the high divorce rate.
    . . . .
    The third reason is that women don’t depend on men financially because govt takes care of them if they are divorced. Sweden is a 'Welfare State' and practices what is known as Institutional Welfare: An institutional system is one in which need is accepted as a normal part of social life. Welfare is provided for the population as a whole, in the same way as public services like roads or schools might be. In an institutional system, welfare is not just for the poor: it is for everyone.
    Why does Sweden have the highest divorce rate in the world? - Yahoo Answers

    De-stressing the entire thing, 'marriage-lite'?
    USATODAY.com - Sweden's 'marriage lite' gets closer examination

    Traditionalists see it as the end The End of Marriage in Scandinavia

    Sweden has legalized same sex marriage since 2009.
    Same-sex marriage in Sweden has been legal since 1 May 2009, following the adoption of a new, gender-neutral law on marriage by the Swedish parliament on 1 April 2009,[1] making Sweden the seventh country in the world to open marriage to same-sex couples nationwide. Existing registered partnerships will remain in force, and can be converted to a marriage if the parties so desire, either through a written application or through a formal ceremony. New registered partnerships will no longer be able to be entered into and marriage will be the only legally recognized form of union for couples regardless of sex.
    On 22 October 2009, the governing board of the Church of Sweden, voted 176–62[2] in favour of allowing its priests to wed same-sex couples in new gender-neutral church ceremonies, including the use of the term marriage.[3][4] Same-sex marriages have been performed by the church since 1 November 2009.[5]
    Same-sex marriage in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Given the probably accurate assessment that the same thing is going happen here in the US, looks like the US locked on the same track, with no room, ability, or, in some people's minds, desire to strike a compromise somehow.

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