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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Why would you live in a place where you couldnt get medical care?
    We do not always work where we live and we definitely do not keep tabs on who is on duty in the er

    i dont see what you mean.
    We are fallible humans, petty and vindictive. Can you envision where policies that allow discrimination would lead?

    It is extremely unreasonable to force someone to work for you and force him to share his property with you.
    It is not about forcing anyone to do anything. Lets take the baker. He makes the cake and wants to sell it and as a retail business he sells it to the public. Key word here is public. There are a myriad ways to not be a retail baker and only sell to whomever one wants, but once you open a retail, read public business you have an obligation to serve the public. That is the real crux of the issue. The baker has the right to sell to only the people he wants, but he has to set up the business that way.

    public workers dont get thay freedom.
    Aren't they entitled to the same rights as other religious people?

    They are servants to the public.
    So is every establishment that is not a "private club" but it is open to people walking in from the street, you know the public.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Not allowing a homophobic business to deny food service to a gay person is a human rights violation?

    Gotta love the buying of one's own bull**** here.
    Yes it is.

    It is the right to free association.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Not allowing a homophobic business to deny food service to a gay person is a human rights violation?

    Gotta love the buying of one's own bull**** here.
    yep its amazing what people can convince themselves of no matter how inane

    protecting the rights of the gay person is some how magically a humans right violation LMAO

    weird all the major human rights orgs are fighting for equal rights for gays
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    So you would just accept it and die?
    I already answered that question. Just because someone might need the service of someone else doesn't mean they have a right to their service.
    Last edited by Henrin; 02-23-14 at 12:01 AM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is not about forcing anyone to do anything. Lets take the baker. He makes the cake and wants to sell it and as a retail business he sells it to the public. Key word here is public. There are a myriad ways to not be a retail baker and only sell to whomever one wants, but once you open a retail, read public business you have an obligation to serve the public. That is the real crux of the issue. The baker has the right to sell to only the people he wants, but he has to set up the business that way.
    No, it really doesn't matter what kind of business someone decides to open. If they decide they don't desire to serve someone no one has the right to force them to do so. All business is open to who the business owner wants in, just as all other kinds of private property are open to only those the owner wants in. To suggest otherwise is to suggest involuntary servitude and control of property that is not your own.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yep its amazing what people can convince themselves of no matter how inane

    protecting the rights of the gay person is some how magically a humans right violation LMAO

    weird all the major human rights orgs are fighting for equal rights for gays
    The right has lost the battle for public acceptance of their ideas as people have become more aware of the experiences of those that the right tries to oppress. Now they strategically use the language of the oppressed and their libreal/left defenders to try to claim that they are victims when they lose their "right" to dominate and oppress. When they can no longer force children in the schools to pray, they claim that they are being religiously persecuted and when they can't discriminate against people they claim that their freedom of association and property rights are being taken away. They have convinced themselves that losing the privileges and power that they never legitimately earned (but took through past violence and theft) is a form of oppression.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The right has lost the battle for public acceptance of their ideas as people have become more aware of the experiences of those that the right tries to oppress. Now they strategically use the language of the oppressed and their libreal/left defenders to try to claim that they are victims when they lose their "right" to dominate and oppress. When they can no longer force children in the schools to pray, they claim that they are being religiously persecuted and when they can't discriminate against people they claim that their freedom of association and property rights are being taken away. They have convinced themselves that losing the privileges and power that they never legitimately earned (but took through past violence and theft) is a form of oppression.
    How does the rest of your post lead to your last sentence? If I buy a piece of property I have control over the use and access of that property. By doing so I didn't steal the property in question, but bought it from a willing seller for an agreed upon price.

    As for the right to association, I earned that right by birth, much as you have done, and there is no dispute that has any merit that suggests that you have the right to force me to associate with you or that I have the right to force you to associate with me.
    Last edited by Henrin; 02-23-14 at 12:17 AM.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    They have convinced themselves that losing the privileges and power that they never legitimately earned (but took through past violence and theft) is a form of oppression.
    People have to earn their human rights? How much work, and what kind of work, is required to earn the right to free speech? Is this condition in some secret codicil of the Constitution that only you know about?

    I swear, you anti-Chioce zealots come up with some pretty interesting arguments to defend your oppression.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1.)The right has lost the battle for public acceptance of their ideas as people have become more aware of the experiences of those that the right tries to oppress. Now they strategically use the language of the oppressed and their libreal/left defenders to try to claim that they are victims when they lose their "right" to dominate and oppress. When they can no longer force children in the schools to pray, they claim that they are being religiously persecuted and when they can't discriminate against people they claim that their freedom of association and property rights are being taken away. They have convinced themselves that losing the privileges and power that they never legitimately earned (but took through past violence and theft) is a form of oppression.
    while i agree and its factual that those that support bigotry and who do not support equal rights are losing BUT its no fair or accurate to blanket "the right" with this. Millions of those on the right support equal rights.

    Its only the nutballs and extremist that dont.

    But i do agree with the basics though, its a complete joke to claim that the government protecting equal rights is infringing on rights

    equal rights+ human rights = gay rights

    some are severely confused about this
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Sure, could have let sleeping dogs lie and let the LGBTQ community continue on being legally relegated to second-class citizen status, just to avoid making the nutbars in Arizona mad.
    Given the assumption of fully legally equal status via the legal mechanism of civil union, would that status then still be considered discriminatory?

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