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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Backass (your word) my foot. Something needs to be done to protect the religious freedoms of others

    What would Jesus do?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Maybe in a theocracy or some other form of bigoted dictatorship like Russia, but not here.
    As I said before, I'd like to see people who think like that be kicked out of emergency rooms, or have a fire truck pass their house because they were not liked.
    An emergency run by a private company has that right. Firetrucks are public services, so thats different.
    I have no problem with any third party denying me service because they dont like the fact that im multi racial or the fact that i carry a gun.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    An emergency run by a private company has that right.
    Not today it does not, nor should it ever. Do yo honestly believe that we would be better off if people performing critical services would start discriminating whom they serve?

    Firetrucks are public services, so thats different.
    Not everywhere, but more importantly fire truck do nothing, the people who operate them would have the right to not do their job if they did not like you. So no it is not different.

    I have no problem with any third party denying me service because they dont like the fact that im multi racial or the fact that i carry a gun.
    Wait till you are really affected in some way.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Not today it does not, nor should it ever. Do yo honestly believe that we would be better off if people performing critical services would start discriminating whom they serve?

    Not everywhere, but more importantly fire truck do nothing, the people who operate them would have the right to not do their job if they did not like you. So no it is not different.

    Wait till you are really affected in some way.
    If someone decides not to treat black people at their hospital, another hospital will. Thats how business works in the free market.

    Most firetrucks are a public service. If the driver keeps going, fire him. No pun intended.

    I will never feel entitled to another persons property or service. I dont care who refuses me service. Government? Yes. Private individuals? Never.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    If someone decides not to treat black people at their hospital, another hospital will.
    Kind of difficult to treat dead people no?

    Thats how business works in the free market.
    Not in civilized society, where reason rules instead of anarchy.

    Most firetrucks are a public service.
    But it is the firemen who provide the service.

    If the driver keeps going, fire him. No pun intended.
    For exercising his religious rights? That is discrimination.

    I will never feel entitled to another persons property or service. I dont care who refuses me service.
    It is not entitlement at issue here but the functioning of an orderly society. What you seem to advocate would end civilized society.

    Government? Yes. Private individuals? Never.
    But it is the individual that performs the task.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    1Kind of difficult to treat dead people no?

    2Not in civilized society, where reason rules instead of anarchy.

    3For exercising his religious rights? That is discrimination.

    I will never feel entitled to another persons property or service. I dont care who refuses me service. Government? Yes. Private individuals? Never.
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    1 i suppose so. Why would you live in a place where you couldnt get medical care?

    2 i dont see what you mean. It is extremely unreasonable to force someone to work for you and force him to share his property with you.

    3 public workers dont get thay freedom. They are servants to the public. They are paid in taxpayer dollars. If he didnt want to work for everyone, he shouldnt work for the government.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Slashing someones tires is not ok. That is a crime and a violation of property rights. However, someone refusing to sell her a hamburger would not be violating her rights. Maybe thats an asshole thing to do, but certainly not a violation of her rights. I guarantee someone else will want her money and sell her a hamburger
    You are taking it out of context. This was in response to someone who said they felt like there was not a legitimate case to be made to including gays and lesbians as a protected class
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You are taking it out of context. This was in response to someone who said they felt like there was not a legitimate case to be made to including gays and lesbians as a protected class
    Human should be the only protected class.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
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    Of course not, and a bit offensive.
    I was challenging your thought process. I didn't mean to imply that about you. Sorry if I offended you.

    This was in response to your post:
    I don't believe having a sexual orientation should qualify as a protected class. Nor do I think being smelly should.
    I was providing one small example of the kind of treatment that causes me to arrive at a different conclusion.

    And you assume [falsely] that I've never experienced discrimination.
    I was saying that being a heterosexual man you have never experienced this kind of discrimination so if you take the pos
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Human should be the only protected class.
    Only if we are all equal to start with.
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