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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    People were slaves: property. People were being denied their rights because they were considered property.
    Okay, well we both agree that other people cant and shouldnt be considered property.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
    Buying and selling of property is not a human right. Why don't you go tell people that jobs are a human right, or free health care is a human right. We could use another laugh at your expense.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Then was the civil rights act a waste of time or are gays and lesbians just not as deserving?
    Was the Libya "war" a waste of time? We dismantled Qaddafi's regime, his mass slaughters, his torture room, his terrorism. We also unleashed chaos onto that society.

    The point is that there are some good aspects of the Civil Rights Act and some oppressive aspects. We can pick and choose.

    You're sounding like the Army officer in Vietnam - "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I own the property in question and thus control access and use of that property.
    I have ownership of my own labor and service and thus I have a right towards it, and with that right, the right to decide who I will provide it to.

    So what gives you the right to force someone into service for you, force your way onto someones property, force them to permit you to partake in their property and to force someone into commerce for your behest? Any answers?
    So you think a business should have the right to turn away Muslims, or Blacks or people with red hair? If you want play games with the semantics then fine. Just like we forced all those bigoted people in the sixties to allow blacks to eat and drink wherever they chose and allow them to attend the same schools I will do all I can to force you to allow gay and lesbian people into your restaurant. We, as a nation, have already made the decision that discrimination is not okay and all you just have to deal with it.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Buying and selling of property is not a human right. Why don't you go tell people that jobs are a human right, or free health care is a human right. We could use another laugh at your expense.
    You might enjoy reading the EU Charter of Human Rights.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You might enjoy reading the EU Charter of Human Rights.
    No I wouldn't.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So you think a business should have the right to turn away Muslims, or Blacks or people with red hair?
    Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, and it's not should, it's does.

    If you want play games with the semantics then fine. Just like we forced all those bigoted people in the sixties to allow blacks to eat and drink wherever they chose and allow them to attend the same schools I will do all I can to force you to allow gay and lesbian people into your restaurant. We, as a nation, have already made the decision that discrimination is not okay and all you just have to deal with it.
    I'm not about to just deal with human right violations. I'm stubborn like that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and many accusations of being a illegal alien end up with a latino being the accused.
    Considering the location and the history why is that even a significant factor in your mind?

    There's an old joke that displays the error in your thought process.

    Fellow leaves the bar after last call and he sees a young woman on her knees under a street light searching around. Being a gentleman he asks her if she needs help. She replies that she has dropped her car keys and is looking for them. He, being the helpful soul, gets down to help her search. After a fruitless hour of search he declares, "I'm afraid I've not been much help, I haven't spotted a thing. Are you sure this is where you dropped your keys?" to which she replies, "Oh no, I dropped them somewhere over there, there's just more light over here".

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Considering the location and the history why is that even a significant factor in your mind?

    There's an old joke that displays the error in your thought process.

    Fellow leaves the bar after last call and he sees a young woman on her knees under a street light searching around. Being a gentleman he asks her if she needs help. She replies that she has dropped her car keys and is looking for them. He, being the helpful soul, gets down to help her search. After a fruitless hour of search he declares, "I'm afraid I've not been much help, I haven't spotted a thing. Are you sure this is where you dropped your keys?" to which she replies, "Oh no, I dropped them somewhere over there, there's just more light over here".
    here is a question

    how can you tell who is a illeagal alien?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I will do all I can to force you
    If a guy said this, we'd all be abhorred.

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