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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

1.) there isnt
2.) there isnt
3.) there isnt
4.) it factually doesnt :shrug:

seems you are severely confused

That would mean you have no case. :lol:
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

No, that is quite impossible.
posting lies wont help your failed post, nobody educated honest and objective will ever fall for it lol
link? proof? quote?

all you have to do is quote me saying that i think people have a right to service by private individuals, right to someone elses labor and right to someone elses property?

ill wait, but it will never happen because it was never said

Fact win again :)
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

Then whats the problem with this law?

this law has nothing to do with those things

see now you are learning the facts, good job!
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

That would mean you have no case. :lol:

correct any idiot that used those things for a case would have none

good thing that's factually not my stance lol

facts win again
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

posting lies wont help your failed post, nobody educated honest and objective will ever fall for it lol
link? proof? quote?

all you have to do is quote me saying that i think people have a right to service by private individuals, right to someone elses labor and right to someone elses property?

ill wait, but it will never happen because it was never said

Fact win again :)

I don't need to quote something that your position implies. If you don't believe in it then you should change your position.
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

correct any idiot that used those things for a case would have none

good thing that's factually not my stance lol

facts win again

If they aren't violating anyones rights then the state has no justification to act on them. Sorry, but you have no case if there is no human right violation. :lol:
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

this law has nothing to do with those things

see now you are learning the facts, good job!

Does the law not have anything to do with refusing service?
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

I don't need to quote something that your position implies.
2.) If you don't believe in it then you should change your position.

1.) translation, you made it up because my position factually implies nothing t of the sort

but thank you SO much for giving me the PERFECT example for why your posts always failed and get destroyed so often by so many posters.

you push your OPINION as fact and then facts simply prove your posts wrong, THIS IS AWESOME

2.) of course i dont believe a made up lie like that since theres no logic to support it, its mentally retarded and its factually false. :shrug: So there no need to change my position because i understand the fact that your assumption is wrong.

facts win again
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

1.) translation, you made it up because my position factually implies nothing t of the sort

but thank you SO much for giving me the PERFECT example for why your posts always failed and get destroyed so often by so many posters.

you push your OPINION as fact and then facts simply prove your posts wrong, THIS IS AWESOME

2.) of course i dont believe a made up lie like that since theres no logic to support it, its mentally retarded and its factually false. :shrug: So there no need to change my position because i understand the fact that your assumption is wrong.

facts win again

You can keep denying it if you feel like doing so Agent, but yes, your position implies everything that Phil_Osophy said.
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

Does the law not have anything to do with refusing service?

not in the content i am discussing

it has to do with "service" the same way rape law has to do with sex, the same way assault and battery has to do with touching lol

this is a VERY simply and factual concept
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

I don't need to quote something that your position implies. If you don't believe in it then you should change your position.
I get you and your fellow liberterians positions. Individual liberty is a paramount concern for the society you want to live in. On the shallow end of the belief its all fine and dandy. It's when you dig a little deeper that you run into your individual liberty infringing on others individual liberty.

At the Liberterian core is the belief that the private business owner has a right to put up a whites only sign. It's his business what right do we have to dictate to him how to run his business.

It just doesn't work in an inclusive society.
 
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Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

You can keep denying it if you feel like doing so Agent, but yes, your position implies everything that Phil_Osophy said.

links? proof? quotes?

your post fails and facts win again

let me know when that fact changes lol
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

I get you and your fellow liberterians positions. Individual liberty is a paramount concern for the socirty you want to live in. On the shallow end of the belief its all fine and dandy. It's when you dig a little deeper that you run into your individual liberty infringing on others individual liberty.

At the Liberterian core is the belief that the private business owner has a right to put up a whites only sign. It's his business what right do we have to dictate to him how to run his business.

It just doesn't work in an inclusive society.

Give me an example of individual liberty infriging on others individual liberty
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

If they aren't violating anyones rights then the state has no justification to act on them. Sorry, but you have no case if there is no human right violation. :lol:

correct the way YOU described it there is no basis, good thing your description has ZERO to do whit what i said LMAO

thanks for proving me right again, good job!
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

correct the way YOU described it there is no basis, good thing your description has ZERO to do whit what i said LMAO

thanks for proving me right again, good job!

Agent, you are here to support anti-discrimination laws, and if business owners are not violating anyones rights by discrimination there is no justification to the laws.
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

1.)Agent, you are here to support anti-discrimination laws
2.) and if business owners are not violating anyones rights by discrimination there is no justification to the laws.

1.) 100% correct
2.) 100% correct, you are learning

just like i said there are ZERO laws that do what you suggest and ZERO rights infringed on under the scenario you gave


facts win again
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

The vast majority of folks in Arizona are ready to exile this Legislature to behind the Orange Curtain. :mrgreen:

It is wise for Gov. Brewer to hold her own party responsible,
by meeting with the three GOP legislators tomorrow who have recanted support for the Bill .
Probably because you're to young and your parents failed to mention the personal freedoms they once had and you never experienced.

That's probably why you're not living in Arizona today.
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

The vast majority of folks in Arizona are ready to exile this Legislature to behind the Orange Curtain. :mrgreen:

It is wise for Gov. Brewer to hold her own party responsible,
by meeting with the three GOP legislators tomorrow who have recanted support for the Bill .

Hey Nimby :2wave:

I think there is more behind this legislation than just a minority being outraged that they can't force the majority or any individual to accept buggery.

I guess it calls for a new thread. Don't know exactly where in what forum I will put it. But it's just an opinion column and it has more than just one message. When the elders are telling their children or grand children about the personal freedoms they once had and no longer have, it may be too late.
 
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OK. Interesting. I'm pretty sure the chain's management wouldnt sign off on that tho...damages the bottom line...she's not even getting someone else to serve them...she's walking away and they dont spend their $$.

So it was a band-aid, a 'turning the head away.' I'm not discrediting you or her, but it is almost a classic example of trying to ignore bigotry rather than confront it.
Keep in mind, this was wallmart. A customer saw the sign and just went to another register as if she were under 18 and unable to sell those things anyway. they still spent their money.

Likewise a gay person can just find another cake shop instead of suing them out of business.
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

Hey Nimby :2wave:

I think there is more behind this legislation than just a minority being outraged that they can't force the majority or any individual to accept buggery.

I guess it calls for a new thread. Don't know exactly where in what forum I will put it. But it's just an opinion column and it has more than just one message. When the elders are telling their children or grand children about the personal freedoms they once had and no longer have, it may be too late.

When a business serves a fornicator or adulterer, are they accepting that? Are they accepting full body tatoos? Body piercings? Nickleback T-shirts? When they serve a celibate person, are they forced to accept celibacy? When I legally carry my 9mm into a shop...are they forced to accept guns?
 
Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

even Mitt Romney tweeted for her to veto the bill lol
he has joined many republicans against this insane bill that would even if passed would eventually get destroyed by the courts and rightfully so
..."even Mitt Romney"... who's another liberal and would have don everything Obama has don only he would have gotten national healthcare right.
 
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