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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, they shouldn't - if it means discrimination against a class of people just because of who they are.
    Why not? That doesnt hurt anyone. Now killing every black person that comes in the store is something to be dealt with seriously. Not selling a black person a carton of milk isnt an actbof violence nor does it victimize anyone.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, they shouldn't - if it means discrimination against a class of people just because of who they are.
    And that is because why? I suspect you will say something about them needing the service or how it's wrong for them to refuse them service. I'm already in tears man. Too bad that has no effect on rights at all.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's weird how you still don't understand the topic well enough to understand that is exactly what your argument means.
    nope its the failed strawman that some try to invent suing thier opinions but facts prove otherwise

    ill stick with facts
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Government has to treat all citizens the same, individuals are not required to treat everyone the same.

    Your spouse might make you dinner everyone night but your spouse is not under any obligation to treat me the same, to make me dinner every night.

    You're working under a ludicrous formulation of equality here.
    No, what's ludicrous is the state of Arizona. Let's see, they started out by trashing Martin Luther King day, and that worked until the NFL told them they'd never get another Super Bowl unless they 'reconsidered'. Viola! They saw the light!

    Then it was the Hispanics that became the target with their ludicrous anti-brown skinned people legislation. Now it's the turn of the gays. It must be all that sunshine that fries their brains.

    Let's see - isn't the Super Bowl scheduled next year for Arizona? I'm sensing a change coming!
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if one person's religious freedom violate the rights of other people, is the system just?
    Denying a person service because what they ask of them violates their religious beliefs is not violating anyone's rights. This person can find another business in the yellow pages that will be more than happy to provide the services needed. He will have been denied nothing. But to force the one to create something in violation of his core beliefs, forcing his business/his name to be associated with what goes against his being is unconscionable and people should be ashamed for putting an individual into that position. For forcing people to only be allowed to practice their faith (who they are) within their homes and place of worship and nowhere else surely violates their rights.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    You said this was about equal rights for gays didnt you in some form or another?
    so you cant quote me saying that statement you made up?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope its the failed strawman that some try to invent suing thier opinions but facts prove otherwise

    ill stick with facts
    Why don't you explain to the class what a strawman is.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And that is because why? I suspect you will say something about them needing the service or how it's wrong for them to refuse them service. I'm already in tears man. Too bad that has no effect on rights at all.
    The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so you cant quote me saying that statement you made up?
    Why not save me the trouble and just tell me what you think this debate is about.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
    Is someone elses labor and prpoerty a human right?

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