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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Take away the super Bowl from Arizona. Oh wait, the NFL winks and nods at gay-bashing .
    Oh no, it'd be far better to have a gay superbowl and hold it in Arizona if you really wanted to have impact. Heck, if the activists were as bright as they sometimes appear to be they'd be flooding the state with homo activities and events. The businesses would learn, the ones that served the gays prosper, the ones that don't, don't. A life lesson that goes beyond mere words.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Um...no. I just think that "fair" is a crappy way of writing legislature and running economy. It's subjective. What you think is "fair" is not going to be fair to someone else.

    I would rather use rationality, science, and logic to predict and accept how things are, instead of forcing everyone to the oppression you personally think is best.
    So your choices are better?

    This is all well and good from your perspective because it is highly unlikely, being a white male, that you ever have or ever will be subjected to discrimination.

    Which behavior provides the greater benefit and what exactly is being discouraged. There are plenty of instances where we have laws that force people to behave in a civilized fashion and I find them necessary. In this instance if comes down to allowing a business owner to discriminate or not being allowed to discriminate it's an easy question to answer. If you fear your freedom to act on your bigotry and prejudice is being infringed on then yes it is and I applaud it. Just like I don't think you need to fire an oozy into a public park.

    You seem to endorse business or people. That can get you into a lot of trouble.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    What is with the Far right and their burning desire to discriminate against people who don't think or act or look exactly the same way they do? Are they born with it, or do they develop that bigotry after years of training?
    I have to wonder if they can pray away the bigotry?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Ok. I have a bouncy ball. I decide i want to sell it. What gives you the right to decide who i sell it too?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    shouldn't let these dogs deny people equal rights at all they don't need to be left alone they need to be muzzled
    Fine. So why try and redefine a cultural term that's been in existence since time memorial all for the appeasement of a mere 1% or 2% of the population? I'm perfectly fine with civil unions defined as equal in standing as traditional marriage before the law and the government. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, and leave that to the churches / people.

    No, in order to appease that mere 1% or 2% of the population we have to destroy the institution of marriage as well as traditional religions. Doesn't seem right to me.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Denying service isnt denying equal rights. Unkess you consider someones service a right. If thats the case, then democrats havent changed much since the civil war....

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The funny thing is that you guys claim to be the tolerant ones.
    I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Fine. So why try and redefine a cultural term that's been in existence since time memorial all for the appeasement of a mere 1% or 2% of the population? I'm perfectly fine with civil unions defined as equal in standing as traditional marriage before the law and the government. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, and leave that to the churches / people.

    No, in order to appease that mere 1% or 2% of the population we have to destroy the institution of marriage as well as traditional religions. Doesn't seem right to me.

    1.) theres no such thing as a civil union = to the legal marriage contract
    2.) government has to be involved in marriage, otherwise who protects the rights of the contract
    3.) religion/churches factually have nothing to do with legal marriage
    4.the MAJORITY of the population supports equal rights not 1-2% but thats just a bonus, it doesn't matter since its a rights issues
    5.) there will factually be no institution destroyed nor will traditional religion be destroyed, these are nonsensical strawmen that can be support by any facts what so ever.

    if you disagree by all means i beg you, please, provide FACTUAL examples of how granting equal rights to gays will "destroy" the "institution of marriage" and "traditional religions".
    While you're at it please tell us what the factual institution of marriage. Please try to stick with reality and not hyperbolic failed strawmen thank you
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.
    Did you notice how no one made that claim? Did you notice how that isn't at all important here?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I love it when right wing extremists try to claim they are tolerant. It is pretty funny how easily they buy their own bull****.
    It isn't just "right wing extremists" who have tolerance issues. In fact, from my own experiences as a white male I've been subject to discrimination by folks on the left and the right based solely upon appearance.

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