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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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Yea, like those who oppose abortion. ****ing evangelical bigots just cant keep out of other people's lives.

I addressed the parallel to abortion in this comment.
 
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Everything is always different to you folks on the Far Right when it's your ox being gored.

The looney leftists are no different in that regard. That's pretty much a general human trait. The NIMBY thing.
 
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You are a libertarian. That is the very definition of Far Right.

You are far more educated than that statement portrays.
 
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Companies most certainly can be people.
No, that is the world according to Romney. People can own all sorts of "businesses" but that does not make the business "people."
 
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So now there are some excuses which permit sexual discrimination?
I am curious, do you really do not understand the difference between being examined and touched and having a plate put in front of you, or you are just being obtuse?
Let me put it another way. There is a difference between you being sold a dildo and having it used on you.
 
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No, that is the world according to Romney. People can own all sorts of "businesses" but that does not make the business "people."

It's the world of reality. Do unions have the right to have public positions? Do the Boy Scouts? Does Planned Parenthood have the right to voice an opinion? Corporations are people who join together for a common purpose. Partnerships and proprietorships actually ARE people, not corporate surrogates for people.
 
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I am curious, do you really do not understand the difference between being examined and touched and having a plate put in front of you, or you are just being obtuse?

There's a difference to you. That difference is, apparently, quite important. Well, try to imagine that some position that you find unimportant is important to someone else, for instance, a baker not wanting to bake a wedding cake for two homosexual men because he doesn't recognize the gross atrocity of men marrying each other.

No one is asking you to support the baker's position, only his right to associate with the people of his own choosing.
 
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Yes people, property owners have the right to kick you off their property and it's about damn time the government starts protecting that right.
I'd love to see you shout that when you a kicked out of an emergency room and denied treatment because the only man who can save your life does not want to associate with you.
But hey, the stone age had its merits too.
 
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Abortion has nothing to do with this topic and it would be great if you would recognize that.
Reading for comprehension would help. I never said it did, it is all about bigotry you seem to endorse.
 
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I'd love to see you shout that when you a kicked out of an emergency room and denied treatment because the only man who can save your life does not want to associate with you.
But hey, the stone age had its merits too.

You don't have a right to anyone's service. To say you did is to say they are your slaves.
 
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I am curious, do you really do not understand the difference between being examined and touched and having a plate put in front of you, or you are just being obtuse?
Let me put it another way. There is a difference between you being sold a dildo and having it used on you.

You don't have a right to either.
 
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I'm talking about the city center.....which is why I said Phoenix is more of "suburb"....there really isn't much of a city center.

It is growing, ASU has a downtown campus now. Central Ave. runs for miles with skyscrapers and such.
 
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There's a difference to you. That difference is, apparently, quite important. Well, try to imagine that some position that you find unimportant is important to someone else, for instance, a baker not wanting to bake a wedding cake for two homosexual men because he doesn't recognize the gross atrocity of men marrying each other.

No one is asking you to support the baker's position, only his right to associate with the people of his own choosing.
He does not have to go to their wedding or hold the candle at the nuptials. You seem to fail to understand what it is to have an open business only to then say ti is not open. Nobody would object if the baker did not have an open establishment where anyone can walk in, but instead operated on a word of mouth basis and contracted individually with people. There is a considerable difference.
 
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Christians are not the problem. Bigots are ans they exist in every walk of life, but it is especially hypocritical when relf righteous self proclaimed Christians spread hate instead of love.

Same with self righteous people.
 
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You don't have a right to anyone's service. To say you did is to say they are your slaves.
I did not claim I had, only the right to anything offered to the public in general.
 
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I did not claim I had, only the right to anything offered to the public in general.

Offering something to non gays obviously isn't offering it to the public in general. Even if something is "offered to the public in general", a person can always decide what he wants to do with his own property.
 
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I'd love to see you shout that when you a kicked out of an emergency room and denied treatment because the only man who can save your life does not want to associate with you.
But hey, the stone age had its merits too.

Does my complaints somehow affect their rights at all? Does it somehow mean I have the right to their service? It doesn't? Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
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Offering something to non gays obviously isn't offering it to the public in general. Even if something is "offered to the public in general", a person can always decide what he wants to do with his own property.
Maybe in a theocracy or some other form of bigoted dictatorship like Russia, but not here.
As I said before, I'd like to see people who think like that be kicked out of emergency rooms, or have a fire truck pass their house because they were not liked.
 
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Does my complaints somehow affect their rights at all? Does it somehow mean I have the right to their service? It doesn't? Yeah, I didn't think so.
So you would just accept it and die?
 
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Backass (your word) my foot. Something needs to be done to protect the religious freedoms of others


What would Jesus do?
 
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Maybe in a theocracy or some other form of bigoted dictatorship like Russia, but not here.
As I said before, I'd like to see people who think like that be kicked out of emergency rooms, or have a fire truck pass their house because they were not liked.

An emergency run by a private company has that right. Firetrucks are public services, so thats different.
I have no problem with any third party denying me service because they dont like the fact that im multi racial or the fact that i carry a gun.
 
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An emergency run by a private company has that right.
Not today it does not, nor should it ever. Do yo honestly believe that we would be better off if people performing critical services would start discriminating whom they serve?

Firetrucks are public services, so thats different.
Not everywhere, but more importantly fire truck do nothing, the people who operate them would have the right to not do their job if they did not like you. So no it is not different.

I have no problem with any third party denying me service because they dont like the fact that im multi racial or the fact that i carry a gun.
Wait till you are really affected in some way.
 
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Not today it does not, nor should it ever. Do yo honestly believe that we would be better off if people performing critical services would start discriminating whom they serve?

Not everywhere, but more importantly fire truck do nothing, the people who operate them would have the right to not do their job if they did not like you. So no it is not different.

Wait till you are really affected in some way.

If someone decides not to treat black people at their hospital, another hospital will. Thats how business works in the free market.

Most firetrucks are a public service. If the driver keeps going, fire him. No pun intended.

I will never feel entitled to another persons property or service. I dont care who refuses me service. Government? Yes. Private individuals? Never.
 
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If someone decides not to treat black people at their hospital, another hospital will.
Kind of difficult to treat dead people no?

Thats how business works in the free market.
Not in civilized society, where reason rules instead of anarchy.

Most firetrucks are a public service.
But it is the firemen who provide the service.

If the driver keeps going, fire him. No pun intended.
For exercising his religious rights? That is discrimination.

I will never feel entitled to another persons property or service. I dont care who refuses me service.
It is not entitlement at issue here but the functioning of an orderly society. What you seem to advocate would end civilized society.

Government? Yes. Private individuals? Never.
But it is the individual that performs the task.
 
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