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Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

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Wiggen said:
No, they shouldn't - if it means discrimination against a class of people just because of who they are.
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Why not? That doesnt hurt anyone. Now killing every black person that comes in the store is something to be dealt with seriously. Not selling a black person a carton of milk isnt an actbof violence nor does it victimize anyone.
 
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Wiggen said:
No, they shouldn't - if it means discrimination against a class of people just because of who they are.
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And that is because why? I suspect you will say something about them needing the service or how it's wrong for them to refuse them service. I'm already in tears man. Too bad that has no effect on rights at all.
 
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Henrin said:
It's weird how you still don't understand the topic well enough to understand that is exactly what your argument means.
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nope its the failed strawman that some try to invent suing thier opinions but facts prove otherwise

ill stick with facts
 
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RiverDad said:
Government has to treat all citizens the same, individuals are not required to treat everyone the same.

Your spouse might make you dinner everyone night but your spouse is not under any obligation to treat me the same, to make me dinner every night.

You're working under a ludicrous formulation of equality here.
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No, what's ludicrous is the state of Arizona. Let's see, they started out by trashing Martin Luther King day, and that worked until the NFL told them they'd never get another Super Bowl unless they 'reconsidered'. Viola! They saw the light!

Then it was the Hispanics that became the target with their ludicrous anti-brown skinned people legislation. Now it's the turn of the gays. It must be all that sunshine that fries their brains.

Let's see - isn't the Super Bowl scheduled next year for Arizona? I'm sensing a change coming!:lamo
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
if one person's religious freedom violate the rights of other people, is the system just?
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Denying a person service because what they ask of them violates their religious beliefs is not violating anyone's rights. This person can find another business in the yellow pages that will be more than happy to provide the services needed. He will have been denied nothing. But to force the one to create something in violation of his core beliefs, forcing his business/his name to be associated with what goes against his being is unconscionable and people should be ashamed for putting an individual into that position. For forcing people to only be allowed to practice their faith (who they are) within their homes and place of worship and nowhere else surely violates their rights.
 
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Phil_Osophy said:
You said this was about equal rights for gays didnt you in some form or another?
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so you cant quote me saying that statement you made up?
 
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AGENT J said:
nope its the failed strawman that some try to invent suing thier opinions but facts prove otherwise

ill stick with facts
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Why don't you explain to the class what a strawman is.
 
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Henrin said:
And that is because why? I suspect you will say something about them needing the service or how it's wrong for them to refuse them service. I'm already in tears man. Too bad that has no effect on rights at all.
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The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
 
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AGENT J said:
so you cant quote me saying that statement you made up?
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Why not save me the trouble and just tell me what you think this debate is about.
 
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Wiggen said:
The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
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Is someone elses labor and prpoerty a human right?
 
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Wiggen said:
I tend to believe more in human rights.
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Believing in human rights in your mind means oppressing people's human rights? How do you make that leap?
 
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Wiggen said:
The difference between us - or at least one of them, I'm glad there are many - is that you'd sell your soul for property rights. I tend to believe more in human rights.
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You believe in human rights and yet don't believe in property rights? That doesn't even make sense. All rights are based on property rights. Jesus..
 
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Wiggen said:
No, what's ludicrous is the state of Arizona. Let's see, they started out by trashing Martin Luther King day, and that worked until the NFL told them they'd never get another Super Bowl unless they 'reconsidered'. Viola! They saw the light!

Then it was the Hispanics that became the target with their ludicrous anti-brown skinned people legislation. Now it's the turn of the gays. It must be all that sunshine that fries their brains.
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That first is a great example showing that government interference is not necessary. The problem took care of itself.

And no, hispanics weren't the target, especially not in Arizona which has a higher than average population of "brown skinned" Americans. The target was illegal aliens.
 
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Henrin said:
Why don't you explain to the class what a strawman is.
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the majority of your posts

if you would like something more specific its when one misrepresents someone's argument or lies and makes one up to make it easier to attack or beat to claim victory or act like they have a valid point or counter.
 
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Henrin said:
You believe in human rights and yet don't believe in property rights? That doesn't even make sense. All rights are based on property rights. Jesus..
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Property can be bought and sold, so the value is variable.

Human rights cannot be variable because all men are equal.
 
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Phil_Osophy said:
Why not save me the trouble and just tell me what you think this debate is about.
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again so you cant quote me saying what you made up?

why dont you just save yourself the trouble and admit i never made the statement/point you claimed
 
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RiverDad said:
Believing in human rights in your mind means oppressing people's human rights? How do you make that leap?
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He doesn't believe at all in human rights in general, just what he believes are human rights. It's like Agent J with his endlessly repeated "my opinions are facts!".
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Property can be bought and sold, so the value is variable.

Human rights cannot be variable because all men are equal.
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'Property rights' refers to humans having the right to own property and do with it as they please.
 
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AGENT J said:
the majority of your posts

if you would like something more specific its when one misrepresents someone's argument or lies and makes one up to make it easier to attack or beat to claim victory or act like they have a valid point or counter.
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So when I tell you what your argument means I'm lying or misrepresenting your argument? Gee, and here I was thinking I was explaining it to you.
 
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clownboy said:
That first is a great example showing that government interference is not necessary. The problem took care of itself.

And no, hispanics weren't the target, especially not in Arizona which has a higher than average population of "brown skinned" Americans. The target was illegal aliens.
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and many accusations of being a illegal alien end up with a latino being the accused.
 
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AGENT J said:
again so you cant quote me saying what you made up?

why dont you just save yourself the trouble and admit i never made the statement/point you claimed
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I dont think anyone here knows what you think this topic is about.
 
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Phil_Osophy said:
'Property rights' refers to humans having the right to own property and do with it as they please.
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there was once a time that human beings were considered property.

That is something that should never happen again.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Property can be bought and sold, so the value is variable.

Human rights cannot be variable because all men are equal.
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No, all rights are based on property rights. In fact, all rights are based on body sovereignty, which is in fact, a property right.

To say you believe in human rights and yet don't believe in property rights is a completely illogical statement.
 
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Henrin said:
1.)So when I tell you what your argument means I'm lying or misrepresenting your argument?
2.)Gee, and here I was thinking I was explaining it to you.
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1.) BAM!!!! 100% correct because A.) i didnt make an argument because all i did was state facts and B.) YOU dont ever get to tell another person what their argument is, only facts or they can do that.

You dont get to make it up based on your OPINION


2.) Of course you thought that because you are under the severely false impression that your opinion and philosophies are fact and means something

this is awesome so much i have been saying is just confirmed in your own words, thank you for further proving me right lol
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
and many accusations of being a illegal alien end up with a latino being the accused.
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And in this country, the burden of proof is on the accuser.
 
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