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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    so can you deny people service because of there religion now? especially if you say doing so is religiously motivated?

    how do you limit letting people discriminate based on their religion to just one thing?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I am religiously opposed to right wing whack jobs eating in my establishment.
    Are you conducting interviews on the way in or something?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Freedom for everyone to run their business as they please.
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    the freedom for business owner to suffer the consequences of their bigotry

    ultimately no. I don't think business owners should be unregulated. I think they need to be watched and conducted their business in a way that is in keeping with our core principles of equality and freedom. They have every right to voice openly how they feel about serving this customer but I don't think they should be allowed to discriminate.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
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    ultimately no. I don't think business owners should be unregulated. I think they need to be watched and conducted their business in a way that is in keeping with our core principles of equality and freedom.They have every right to voice openly how they feel about serving this customer but I don't think they should be allowed to discriminate.
    You do realize that if you are enforcing equality and freedom you have to allow them to discriminate, right?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize that if you are enforcing equality and freedom you have to allow them to discriminate, right?
    Freedom has to have some realistic limitations and there are many laws on the books already that do so. Those laws generally put limitations on actions to protect people.

    Equality is limited in the same way. It does not present the same risks
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    so can you deny people service because of there religion now? especially if you say doing so is religiously motivated?

    how do you limit letting people discriminate based on their religion to just one thing?
    i dont care how its motivated. Your property, your business, your call.

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    ultimately no. I don't think business owners should be unregulated. I think they need to be watched and conducted their business in a way that is in keeping with our core principles of equality and freedom. They have every right to voice openly how they feel about serving this customer but I don't think they should be allowed to discriminate.
    of course not unregulated. Businesses shouldnt be allowed to steal or murder or commit other crimes. But if a business just doesnt want to serve white people, they shouldnt have to.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    i dont care how its motivated. Your property, your business, your call.

    of course not unregulated. Businesses shouldnt be allowed to steal or murder or commit other crimes. But if a business just doesnt want to serve white people, they shouldnt have to.
    We disagree here. I think we have more of an obligation to serve the greater good. I would not endorse that same business owner being denied service if a restaurant was owned by an atheist either.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
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    ultimately no. I don't think business owners should be unregulated. I think they need to be watched and conducted their business in a way that is in keeping with our core principles of equality and freedom. They have every right to voice openly how they feel about serving this customer but I don't think they should be allowed to discriminate.
    "Keep our core principles"? In other words "agree with us or else!"

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    i dont care how its motivated. Your property, your business, your call.

    of course not unregulated. Businesses shouldnt be allowed to steal or murder or commit other crimes. But if a business just doesnt want to serve white people, they shouldnt have to.
    I don't know if a lot of business in a place decide to discriminate against people in one way that could really **** with peoples lives

    on the other hand not letting a business discriminate against its customers doesn't hurt the business

    so why should it be an owners call

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    We disagree here. I think we have more of an obligation to serve the greater good. I would not endorse that same business owner being denied service if a restaurant was owned by an atheist either.
    What gives you the right to decide how he conducts his business? Whu should you have any control over his property?

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