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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Bull crap, they are not asked to hold hands, rub eachother's backs, take long showers together. They are supposed to serve people without asking who they like to ****.
    This is obviously in reaction to the case in Colorado where a court ordered a bakery to support a gay wedding against the owners religious beliefs.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is obviously in reaction to the case in Colorado where a court ordered a bakery to support a gay wedding against the owners religious beliefs.
    And they shouldn't have the right to do make the claim that their religious convictions prevent them from baking a cake and selling it to a gay couple. That is just as ridiculous as making a claim that a person's religious convictions prevent them from baking a cake and selling it to a Jewish couple or a mixed race couple or an older couple. If that is a conflict for their convictions, then they need to find either a new job or a new way of doing business (perhaps referrals only). Businesses open to the public are subject to anti-discrimination laws. And in this case they are treating people differently based on their relative genders.

    I do wonder though why people get so pissy about such things. It would have been interesting to see someone turn down my grandparents for a cake because they wanted it to say something like "50 years Chuck and Bill" on it and it was either ordered over the phone or by only my grandfather or perhaps one of us younger ones.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And they shouldn't have the right to do make the claim that their religious convictions prevent them from baking a cake and selling it to a gay couple.
    Actually they should. We even have a whole Amendment to the Constitution thingy where stuff like that is talked about Forcing people to support ceremonies that are antithetical to their religious beliefs is a violation of their religious liberty.

    I do wonder though why people get so pissy about such things.
    Because you are attempting to force us to violate our faith. I don't agree that one has a "right" to a marriage certificate from the state, but I at least understand why those who do believe that their rights are being violated through marriage law are ticked off about it.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is obviously in reaction to the case in Colorado where a court ordered a bakery to support a gay wedding against the owners religious beliefs.
    No its a reaction to everything the douchebag evangelicals are attempting to do in order to control others.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually they should. We even have a whole Amendment to the Constitution thingy where stuff like that is talked about Forcing people to support ceremonies that are antithetical to their religious beliefs is a violation of their religious liberty.

    Because you are attempting to force us to violate our faith. I don't agree that one has a "right" to a marriage certificate from the state, but I at least understand why those who do believe that their rights are being violated through marriage law are ticked off about it.
    There is no valid argument that anyone's faith requires them to not sell them a cake when that is what they do. If it is the case, then you should not be running a business open to the public.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've said for some time now that a lot of the emotional impetus behind the gay movement is a kind of attempt to Make Daddy Love Me.
    Everybody has an opinion, that does not make reality.

    They will eventually start targeting the non-explicitly religiously-oriented activities of Churches, too, it's just inherent in the movement.
    Paranoia and fear of what you hate.

    As for me I think I'd rather go to jail than violate my religious precepts.
    You mean bigotry, because there is no other reason to discriminate.

    Once upon a time even liberal Democrats (Ted Kennedy comes to mind) cared about individual religious liberty.
    We still care just as much about religious freedom, we are just no longer willing to tolerate bigotry and discrimination which has nothing to do with religious freedom.

    Now, apparently, not so much.
    Yea, just as much.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is obviously in reaction to the case in Colorado where a court ordered a bakery to support a gay wedding against the owners religious beliefs.
    His religious beliefs allow him to "support" a wedding for dogs, but not for a gay couple? Pretty sure this is a political conviction and personal bias against gays rather than real religious objections. The religious objection thing is an excuse.

    "In concluding that Masterpiece Cakeshop acted unlawfully, a CCRC investigation also showed evidence that Phillips was willing to bake a cake for the "marriage" of a pair of dogs, but not for two women."

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-order...ry?id=21136505
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    If I were a baker, I would specialize in gay wedding cakes as that seems to be an untapped market. But that's just me.

    But, the government can kiss my ass. I ain't gonna work for anybody I don't want to work for. I ain't the government's goddam slave.

    I don't need to have a "religious conviction." If I don't want to work for somebody, I ain't gonna do it.

    But I got no problem making gay wedding cake. But if I did, I wouldn't do it.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    On the subject of the OP I pointed out how CNN misrepresented the law and then pointed out how you excused that with the typical "Oh yeah, what about FOX" line. That is what I have done here.
    No, I called you out on you faux outrage / hypocrisy and then backed off reflecting on the notion that the world does not expect real news integrity from Fox so you not getting upset with them is understandable.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually they should. We even have a whole Amendment to the Constitution thingy where stuff like that is talked about Forcing people to support ceremonies that are antithetical to their religious beliefs is a violation of their religious liberty.



    Because you are attempting to force us to violate our faith. I don't agree that one has a "right" to a marriage certificate from the state, but I at least understand why those who do believe that their rights are being violated through marriage law are ticked off about it.

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith and then not serve blacks?

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith and then not serve interracial couples?

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith and then not serve Jews?

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith and then not serve interfaith couples?

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith and then not serve someone that is divorced?

    Do you think that someone should be able to claim faith for their religion and not serve a customer who is disabled and has a service dog?



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