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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    They are free to practice heterosexuality all they want according to the dictates of their religion. Nothing has been taken away from them.
    If their interpretation of their religion is that gays are evil and should be shunned then they should be allowed to do so. I have to wonder why a gay would even want to do business with a place like that anyway.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If their interpretation of their religion is that gays are evil and should be shunned then they should be allowed to do so. I have to wonder why a gay would even want to do business with a place like that anyway.
    You need to understand the difference between public and private. Implicit in the notion of running a business (and I run one, myself) is that by operating in the public sphere, one is subject to the secterian laws associated with such. People are not being prevented in any way from conducting their private life any way they choose.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If their interpretation of their religion is that gays are evil and should be shunned then they should be allowed to do so. I have to wonder why a gay would even want to do business with a place like that anyway.
    Still bull****, you shouldn't be able to.

    Regardless of your religious convictions business owners should not be allowed to discriminate against gays just as your racial convictions don't allow you to discriminate against blacks.

    What if you live in a small town in Arizona and there's only one drycleaners like there is in my small town and you have a job interview but you're gay and they won't do your suit for you.

    That's not right and it never will be.

    I'm sorry but you can shove your Christianity up your ass if you think it's okay to discriminate against someone based on an innate trait they cannot control.

    It's no longer good enough to say "Because the bible tells me so".

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You need to understand the difference between public and private. Implicit in the notion of running a business (and I run one, myself) is that by operating in the public sphere, one is subject to the secterian laws associated with such. People are not being prevented in any way from conducting their private life any way they choose.
    Is there a law that says you have to serve gays like there is for blacks? There is not so there is no sectarian law to obey here.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Still bull****, you shouldn't be able to.

    Regardless of your religious convictions business owners should not be allowed to discriminate against gays just as your racial convictions don't allow you to discriminate against blacks.

    What if you live in a small town in Arizona and there's only one drycleaners like there is in my small town and you have a job interview but you're gay and they won't do your suit for you.

    That's not right and it never will be.

    I'm sorry but you can shove your Christianity up your ass if you think it's okay to discriminate against someone based on an innate trait they cannot control.

    It's no longer good enough to say "Because the bible tells me so".
    You are really grasping at straws here.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are really grasping at straws here.
    The only one grasping at straws are the ones supporting discrimination based on sexual orientation.

    It will never be allowed so get used to it.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It was a pro religious freedom bill not anti gay and as you point out could be used to deny service for many other reasons than being gay which proves it was not an anti gay bill.
    You are right it was not an anti-gay bill, even though it was referencing only "gay incidents" as a justification. The bill in reality was an attempt by douchebag evangelicals who wanted to legitimize their bigotry instead of practicing Christianity.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You are right it was not an anti-gay bill, even though it was referencing only "gay incidents" as a justification. The bill in reality was an attempt by douchebag evangelicals who wanted to legitimize their bigotry instead of practicing Christianity.

    I tend to agree.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If their interpretation of their religion is that gays are evil and should be shunned then they should be allowed to do so.
    Bull crap, they are not asked to hold hands, rub eachother's backs, take long showers together. They are supposed to serve people without asking who they like to ****.

    I have to wonder why a gay would even want to do business with a place like that anyway.
    They wouldn't if the bigoted bastards would have the integrity to put a sign on their doors that said: "WE ARE GIGOTS AND WE HATE FAGS" I assure you that no gay person would solicit their business.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If their interpretation of their religion is that gays are evil and should be shunned then they should be allowed to do so. I have to wonder why a gay would even want to do business with a place like that anyway.
    I've said for some time now that a lot of the emotional impetus behind the gay movement is a kind of attempt to Make Daddy Love Me. It explains why they focus so much on the word marraige vice the simple legal advantages, and it explains this. You shouldn't be allowed to disagree with them. They will eventually start targeting the non-explicitly religiously-oriented activities of Churches, too, it's just inherent in the movement.

    As for me I think I'd rather go to jail than violate my religious precepts. Once upon a time even liberal Democrats (Ted Kennedy comes to mind) cared about individual religious liberty. Now, apparently, not so much.
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