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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    An interesting thought, except that atheism is a belief system. It is not a religion.
    I understand that, it doesn't stop the religious from claiming that it's a religion and if that's what they think, who am I not to take advantage of it?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It never fails. Whenever I criticize the MSM some lib jumps up and shouts, "OH YEAH, WHAT ABOUT FOX".
    You are right and I was wrong. I don't know what I was thinking trying to compare Fox to a real news organization. I appreciate your outrage. Real news organizations certainly should be called out on steering their audiences with misleading headlines. The fact that faux news organizations do this as a matter of course should be expected as, after all, they are not real news organizations.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    On a related note: Obama’s EEOC Sues Trucking Company After Muslim Who Refused to Transport Alcohol Fired; Not First Time

    So if you're Muslim then Obama will guard your religious views [SIZE=1](even after those Muslim truckers signed an agreement knowing they would be transporting alcohol)[/SIZE], but if you're Christian he won't. Gotta love those Kenyan roots. Let's see that birth certificate one more time.
    Where was it ever shown that the trucker's signed an agreement to transport alcohol? They did not take a job with Budwieser. Trucking companies hual all sorts of junk.

    The correct analogy would have been a baker that baked all occasions cakes. The baker got an order to bake a gay cake for the Adam and Steve wedding. The cake decorator refused on religious grounds to decorate a wedding cake for Adam and Steve. If the baker were to fire the decorator without allowing her to work on the another cake instead of...then the cake decorator could have filed an EEOC claim of non accomodation.

    Now if the owner informs his employees prior to hire that he make all sorts of cakes...gay cakes, boob cakes, Cinco de mayo cakes..and if the employee accepts the job, then that is a different story.

    See how that works now? Has nothing to do with Sharia law or the love of muslims.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I understand that, it doesn't stop the religious from claiming that it's a religion and if that's what they think, who am I not to take advantage of it?
    They can 'claim it' all they want, but since atheism would fail to meet the basic legal definition of a religion, an atheist would not prevail in a court of law if he tried to use religious belief as a defense for his/her actions.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    On a related note: Obama’s EEOC Sues Trucking Company After Muslim Who Refused to Transport Alcohol Fired; Not First Time

    So if you're Muslim then Obama will guard your religious views (even after those Muslim truckers signed an agreement knowing they would be transporting alcohol), but if you're Christian he won't. Gotta love those Kenyan roots. Let's see that birth certificate one more time.

    Anyway, the bill was vetoed because the NFL threatened to take the next Superbowl away from Arizona (the NFL is under enough heat from the administration over concussions and has to play the political game), and Apple threatened not to build a planned new iPhone plant there (Apple would like to keep it's NSA contracts), not because of some ascended view on discrimination et-al.
    Debbie Schlussel is lying when she posts
    ...the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission (EEOC) a/k/a the Minorities Litigation Commission (EEOC never helps White males or Christians or Jews who are discriminated against)
    The woman consistently posts lies about Muslims, as with so many others she likes to pick and choose events that support her beliefs, nothing that contradicts those beliefs can ever be real.

    Just three cases where the EEOC sued supporting Christian workers, there are others
    Magnetics International to Pay $30,000* To Settle EEOC Religious Discrimination Suit Magnetics International to Pay $30,000 To Settle EEOC Religious Discrimination Suit
    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination
    EEOC Sues Consol Energy and Consolidation Coal Company for Religious Discrimination Mining Companies Forced Evangelical Christian to Retire Over Hand Scanning, Federal Agency Charges

    The NFL pulled the 1993 Super Bowl from Arizona after the state legislature refuse to approve a holiday honouring Dr Martin Luther King.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    They can 'claim it' all they want, but since atheism would fail to meet the basic legal definition of a religion, an atheist would not prevail in a court of law if he tried to use religious belief as a defense for his/her actions.
    Oh, I'm not arguing with you, but if these religious idiots are going to proclaim atheism as a religion, as they have, then we might as well make use of it. The courts have already decided that, in at least some fashion, atheism operates as a religion. I agree it's not, but if they're going to proclaim it to be true, so be it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It never fails. Whenever I criticize the MSM some lib jumps up and shouts, "OH YEAH, WHAT ABOUT FOX".
    They are very cautious about what enters their limited minds.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You've gone off the deep end. Again, different actions, same reason behind the actions. A reason btw that is protected by Constitution.
    It's become a nation of very, very petty people, with each group complaining that their rights come before someone else's. All of these groups, many of which began with a good cause, eventually become too tiresome to take seriously.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You are right and I was wrong. I don't know what I was thinking trying to compare Fox to a real news organization. I appreciate your outrage. Real news organizations certainly should be called out on steering their audiences with misleading headlines. The fact that faux news organizations do this as a matter of course should be expected as, after all, they are not real news organizations.
    CNN called it an anti gay bill even though there is no mention of gays in the bill. You got one thing right in your post though. I was right and you were wrong.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers pass controversial anti-gay bill[W:451:959]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    CNN called it an anti gay bill even though there is no mention of gays in the bill. You got one thing right in your post though. I was right and you were wrong.
    We are talking in circles... I never disputed the CNN overstated the issue. I was only pointing out your disingenuous outrage given this is something Fox does all the time (The CBO report, in the example I cited never said Obamacare would result in the lost of 2.3 million jobs, yet that was the Fox headline).

    I do agree misstating the byline with the intent to inflame or tilt/make the news is an outrageous practice for a real news organization: I expect better of CNN, yet Fox is Fox. However, it is hypocritical to call one party out on it and accept it from another, which is what you have done here.

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