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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    WHOOPS.....There it is, the Obama Warning comes after the EU has spoken out. Coming thru with the Atlantic Wire. Warning the Ukrainian Government!



    Obama Condemns Kiev Violence in a Warning to Ukraine's Government.....



    While traveling in Mexico on Wednesday, President Obama addressed the ongoing violence in Ukraine on Wednesday with a strong statement aimed primarily at the Ukrainian government. "The US condemns in strongest terms the violence" in the country, said Obama, according to the White House's pool report, adding, "We hold the Ukrainian government primarily responsible for making sure that it is dealing with peaceful protestors in an appropriate way."

    In his statement to reporters, Obama added that the White House was "going to be watching very carefully," and expected the Ukrainian government to "show restraint" in the future. He added that he expected the "peaceful protesters to remain peaceful," and that "there will be consequences if people step over the line... that includes making sure that the Ukrainian military does not step into [a set of issues that should be settled by civilians]." Obama also indicated that the US was "deeply engaged" with European allies over the crisis. Here's the full statement from the pool:.....snip~

    Obama Condemns Kiev Violence in a Warning to Ukraine's Government
    The Atlantic Wire

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    This is a really powerful picture.
    Picked off reddit.
    What a picture RM......talk about some scorched earth, huh? Unreal and all this over taking the trade deal with the Russians over the EU. Damn!

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep RM.....I heard France was leading the way again. Had the Poles and Germany in this morning. Also now am hearing another 10 dead.

    So the EU will impose personal Sanctions on the Ukrainian Leaders in Government.....yet none that are appearing as this Opposition?
    That is a legitimate question. I don't know who they will target. Maybe some leaders of the opposition too. certainly ,all the top brass of the governing party will be sanctioned, that's almost a certainty.

    the problem is that you need to be careful whom in the opposition you sanction. I did say before, and so did the protesters... just because the opposition party is called the opposition party doesn't mean that they're on the side of the people. If the tables were turned, and the now opposition would be the guys in power, no doubt that they'll also be corrupt and try and hold onto power with both hands and teeth.

    This is the problem with party politics... the game is rigged in favor of the politicians. If the current govt gets toppled, the best thing for Ukraine is to NOT have any of the current crop of politicians involved in politics. None. Because most are corrupt... opposition and ruling party. Ofc, this would be an ideal scenario and while hard, not impossible. for instance, Poland successfully managed to get rid of most communists after 89 and the political class was "fresh". Compare this to... say... Bulgaria whom even today, the political class and especially the ruling party stinks of communism... or in Romania where while we did get rid of communism in 89, the stench remained until 2003/2004... and now, slowly but surely, it's starting to stink again as the spiritual successors of the communists are partially in power. Complicated.

    I do however feel that no matter the pressure from outside, it will nto be the determining factor in the outcome of this Ukrainian crisis.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What a picture RM......talk about some scorched earth, huh? Unreal and all this over taking the trade deal with the Russians over the EU. Damn!
    Trading with the EU is not just about the EU. It's also about opening the door to the free world. Ukrainians don't want to continue to be like Belarus... hell, Belarussians don't want to be Belarus but they're still 10 years behind Ukraine. Maybe once their dinosaur of a communist president dies they'll have a chance to restore democracy.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Ukrainian police snipers and policemen armed with AK's shoot unarmed crowd with live ammunition. Over 30 people dead so far, and counting.
    FYI: This has just happened, literally, 2h ago.

    http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25270710.html

    EDIT: This is also from 2h ago. People are actually getting shot in this video, watch at your own discretion.
    This is not an easy video to watch!
    Last edited by Rainman05; 02-20-14 at 11:47 AM.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    looks good, I love the fascist going down hard at the end. We need protesters with balls like that in OWS for real CHANGE in USA.
    Here you got Obama drawing more lines in the sand if the Ukraine gov't uses violence to quell the protests.

    I wonder. If the OWS or even some other whacko Tea Party type revolution took place in Washington, shutting down the city, burning it down, would the US government use the same tactics to quell that revolution/protest?

    I think the government would turn American guns on American protesters/revolutionaries, such as is taking place now in the Ukraine, in a heartbeat.

    Obama needs to shut his pie-hole. It could very well be him giving the orders to fire on the crowd if the shoe was on the other foot.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    WHOOPS.....There it is, the Obama Warning comes after the EU has spoken out. Coming thru with the Atlantic Wire. Warning the Ukrainian Government!


    Obama Condemns Kiev Violence in a Warning to Ukraine's Government
    The Atlantic Wire
    Besides statements, this actually happened as a response to the videos I just posted. Over 30 were killed by the police 2h ago in Kyiv.
    EU prepares to hit Ukraine with sanctions, arms embargo | Reuters

    EU prepares to hit Ukraine with sanctions, arms embargo
    The European Union was preparing on Thursday to impose sanctions on those responsible for deadly violence in Ukraine as well as to impose an arms embargo on the country, according to a draft ministerial statement obtained by Reuters.

    However, EU officials cautioned that the text was subject to revisions and that the final decision will be taken by EU foreign ministers who will hold an emergency meeting in Brussels later on Thursday.
    "At the same time, member states have decided to implement an arms embargo and a ban on equipment used for internal repression," it said.
    EU diplomats have said sanctions could potentially be imposed on protest leaders who called for violence, as well as on government and security officials, but that Yanukovich himself is unlikely to be targeted for now. It is expected to take some days to draw up a detailed list of names.
    The United States on Wednesday imposed visa bans on 20 senior Ukrainian government officials believed to be responsible for the violence against protesters.
    So I'm guessing by the end of the week, all EU nations (+ Prolly the US too) will put a weapons embargo on Ukraine... this won't do much.. since Ukraine has a lot of weapons already. The hard part is, how will this be enforced. As long as Russia can supply Ukraine with weapons, the embargo's efficiency will be limited.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ukrainian police snipers and policemen armed with AK's shoot unarmed crowd with live ammunition. Over 30 people dead so far, and counting.
    FYI: This has just happened, literally, 2h ago.

    http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25270710.html

    EDIT: This is also from 2h ago. People are actually getting shot in this video, watch at your own discretion.
    This is not an easy video to watch!

    Holy ****.....I have been watchin that. Their just shooting them. WTF.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep RM.....I heard France was leading the way again. Had the Poles and Germany in this morning. Also now am hearing another 10 dead.

    So the EU will impose personal Sanctions on the Ukrainian Leaders in Government.....yet none that are appearing as this Opposition?
    Here is an interesting link even if it is from Pravda. Looks like the ones shot are police and shot by opposition sniper/s. I don't think you will get this news from Mass Media Stenographers and Presstitutes in the USA. They can't even acknowledge that it is another CIA/NGO misadventure gone awry, or exactly as planned. The truth is where you find it, like gold.

    Kiev sniper shoots 20 law enforcers - English pravda.ru

    "The sniper who took up position on the roof of the conservatory in Kiev injured as many as 20 law enforcement officers. Euro-Maidan activists seized the building of the conservatory on February 20.

    Previously, the Interior Ministry reported that there were four people wounded. Tonight, opposition leaders announced a truce with President Yanukovych. However, nationalist movement Common Cause said that they were going to boycott the agreement, calling it a "fake."

    Meanwhile, the number of victims of violence on Independence Square (Maidan Nezalezhnosti) has reached 28 people. Media reports that the confrontation resumed almost anew. Opposition activists managed to drive "Berkut" fighters to "Arsenalnaya" metro station.

    Deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine are being evacuated."

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Well, yesterday Obama banned 20 Ukrainian officials from coming to the US. What is he doing with that move?

    State Department bans 20 Ukrainians 'in chain of command' from U.S.



    The State Department on Wednesday banned 20 Ukrainian civilians from obtaining U.S. visas in an effort to ramp up pressure on the Eastern European country's government to de-escalate the bloody confrontations between police and opposition protesters.

    A senior State Department official would not name those banned from traveling to the U.S., but said the list included the “full chain of command” of those considered responsible for recent deadly clashes.

    The move was a careful first step as U.S. and European Union officials warned that more punitive sanctions could be forthcoming if a truce announced late Wednesday did not hold.


    State Department bans 20 Ukrainians 'in chain of command' from U.S. - latimes.com



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