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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    If you think Putin or the EU have the Ukrainians' interests at heart, you belie your name.
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    He's obviously not arguing that Putin or the EU have the Ukrainians' interests at heart, he's pointing out the obvious fact that between the EU and Russia, Ukraina hardly has no choice or alternative. It can ignore both at its own expense.
    What he said. Ukraine can't ignore both the EU and Russia, not unless it wants to have no energy and watch its economic grind to a halt without with mass death as the winter rolls around next year.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    By the end of next week the EU will most likely put sanctions on Ukrainian politicians. This is different than what the US did when it put sanctions on Ukraine... those sanctions do nothing to deter the politicians, it just hurts the economy that average people depend on.
    The sanctions the EU will put will be targetted only on those politicians who the EU deems responsible for the protests and for usurping the democratic process.
    The 2 most prominent of these sanctions are:
    1. travel bans. The EU will not permit anyone who gets these bans (yanukovych and friends most likely) to enter EU territory. This may seem... like nothing... but it will make it so that politicians can't escape justice in Ukraine (if democracy wins there) by going to an EU country... though most may flee to Russia really...

    2. Freezing all international assets. If they can pull this off... it'll be great. This will really punish the corrupt politicians.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    This is a really powerful picture.
    Picked off reddit.

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    This is exactly why the public should have the right to bear arms. It would look a lot different out there if the government had a million rifles pointed at them all over the country.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    EUobserver / EU and US co-ordinating Ukraine sanctions list

    EU and US co-ordinating Ukraine sanctions list
    US and EU officials are working together to decide which Ukrainian officials to blacklist when EU foreign ministers meet on Thursday (20 December).

    Ben Rhodes, a US national security advisor, told press on Wednesday: “We are in consultation with the European Union on the questions like which individuals should be held responsible for the violence, and in consideration of issues like imposing sanctions related to the ongoing violence.”
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    BBC News - Ukraine President Yanukovych sacks army chief amid crisis


    Ukraine President Yanukovych sacks army chief amid crisis
    Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has sacked the head of the armed forces, Col Gen Volodymyr Zamana, according to the president's website.

    The move comes after the most intense violence in Ukraine's three-month crisis turned Kiev into a battle zone.
    At least 26 people died, mainly in Kiev, as protesters wielding petrol bombs and paving stones tried to defend their encampment in the central Independence Square from police using rubber bullets and stun grenades.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    This is a really powerful picture.
    Picked off reddit.
    Composite shot right?

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Composite shot right?
    Idk, your guess is as good as mine. But still very powerful. And artistic.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Since US Ambassador Nuland admits that the US spent $5 billion in the Ukraine and that money would have organized protest groups, NGOs, etc., does that mean the USA is fomenting terrorism and will be sanctioned. Yanukovych may be a scumbag, but he is a politician, so I repeat myself (forgive me Mark Twain), but he is the only person I have seen offer compromise in this matter. I think banking and the potential to acquire Ukrainian assets through default, bankruptcies, and political skullduggery are behind this uprising. I offer the following link to support the overlap of banking to supply chains and potential implications.

    Predator Banks Enter Brave New World of Epic Scams and Public Hasn't Got a Clue

    "“Today, banks like Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs own oil tankers, run airports and control huge quantities of coal, natural gas, heating oil, electric power and precious metals. They likewise can now be found exerting direct control over the supply of a whole galaxy of raw materials crucial to world industry and to society in general, including everything from food products to metals like zinc, copper, tin, nickel and, most infamously thanks to a recent high-profile scandal, aluminum.”"

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I'm sure Gandhi and MLK showed that. Of course it is often the easier and preferred method, but history still shows that violence isn't always the answer.
    a very good point.
    But this isn't Tahrir/Tiananmen square (Egypt/China) either, It's a violent protest, but it does have a lot of popular support -how much I do not know, not knowing Ukraine politics.

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    Re: Ukraine in Flames

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    By the end of next week the EU will most likely put sanctions on Ukrainian politicians. This is different than what the US did when it put sanctions on Ukraine... those sanctions do nothing to deter the politicians, it just hurts the economy that average people depend on.
    The sanctions the EU will put will be targetted only on those politicians who the EU deems responsible for the protests and for usurping the democratic process.
    The 2 most prominent of these sanctions are:
    1. travel bans. The EU will not permit anyone who gets these bans (yanukovych and friends most likely) to enter EU territory. This may seem... like nothing... but it will make it so that politicians can't escape justice in Ukraine (if democracy wins there) by going to an EU country... though most may flee to Russia really...

    2. Freezing all international assets. If they can pull this off... it'll be great. This will really punish the corrupt politicians.


    Yep RM.....I heard France was leading the way again. Had the Poles and Germany in this morning. Also now am hearing another 10 dead.

    So the EU will impose personal Sanctions on the Ukrainian Leaders in Government.....yet none that are appearing as this Opposition?

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